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    They are using power lines.
    Broadpoint Amtech analyst Benjamin Schachter estimated in 2010 that Google’s Kansas City network could cost over $1 billion to build. But as GigaOM has reported, Google saves money on its deployments in various ways, such as piggybacking on existing power line infrastructure and building its own network gear.

    But what might really be making the difference in Google Fiber’s deployment is its inventive to pay for the last mile service by encouraging people who want home service to get their neighbors to sign-up in advance, lowering the risk of deploying to a particular neighborhood. To encourage more people to participate, Google is offering free 5 megabit speed fiber connections for a one-time setup fee of $300, which will help cover the costs of the last mile service.

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    $70 per gig is incredible. When I was with MCI in the late 1990's, we were selling T1's for $2500 a pipe. 1.544Mbps seemed super fast in those days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodrow Call View Post
    $70 per gig is incredible. When I was with MCI in the late 1990's, we were selling T1's for $2500 a pipe. 1.544Mbps seemed super fast in those days.
    When your porn is 640x480, that is super fast.

    If this rolls out, I predict a large increase in external hard drives being shipped to Austin from Amazon and NewEgg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brisketexan View Post
    She markets to brides -- wimmens aint as sophisticated as you are. And now that I think of it, her primary email address for the business IS the businessname.com, so maybe it would just be a hassle with her personal email address (still used for a LOT of purposes, but I imagine that it could be undone over time).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blain View Post
    Gotcha. Just so you know, if someone was selling me Texas brisket cooking secrets and his his email was brisketexan@hotmail.com, we are going to have issues.
    I would not expect people who have cooking secrets for Texas brisket to be all that familiar with the internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ihateowho View Post
    sweet, now they can mine your data a million times faster.
    Oh no, not my data! Those bastards. I thought the Nazis were bad but these SOB's actually want to sell demographic data to advertisers. How degenerate can the human race get?

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    Article from November, Ars Technica trying to max out Google Fiber.

    http://arstechnica.com/business/2012...-google-fiber/

    I’ve posted the requisite speedtest pics (see below). My first test was on Google’s own testing page, which returned 464Mbps down and 835Mbps up—the guys at the house had told me there had been reported speed issues earlier today and that these results are slow.
    KVUE CLAIMING THEY HAVE SOURCES

    Now, Google Fiber is expanding, and multiple City of Austin sources confirmed to KVUE News Friday that we will be next on the list.

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    $#@!. Atlanta better be soon.

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    anyone have any idea what customer service for google fiber's like? for instance if something's running slow, do they send someone out the next day or do you have to wait a long time?

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    Our neighborhood was tore up not too long ago when UVerse put in their fiber. No overhead power. Any way they can just fish that $#@! through the pipes?

    Disclaimer: I have no idea what I'm talking about. Just want the google.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skipperj View Post
    Our neighborhood was tore up not too long ago when UVerse put in their fiber. No overhead power. Any way they can just fish that $#@! through the pipes?

    Disclaimer: I have no idea what I'm talking about. Just want the google.
    From what has been said, Google's Fiber is like Grande, and running over the powerlines/telephone poles. I do remember several years ago when Burnett Rd and a few other areas were torn up for fiber and some other projects, but I believe it was multiple companies involved. I don't think Google tears up ground because that gets really expensive, especially in Austin/dealing with lots of rock.

    When I lived at the edge of Hyde Park, and now in the Rosedale area, everything was overhead - power, AT&T, Time Warner, etc. Some parts were buried, but they weren't buried very far, just from a pole to a junction box. Wish we had buried stuff all over Austin, because it would cut down on outtages and improve the look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by comet View Post
    No HBO + No AMC = No $#@!ing way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AtomHeartBevo View Post
    From what has been said, Google's Fiber is like Grande, and running over the powerlines/telephone poles. I do remember several years ago when Burnett Rd and a few other areas were torn up for fiber and some other projects, but I believe it was multiple companies involved. I don't think Google tears up ground because that gets really expensive, especially in Austin/dealing with lots of rock.

    When I lived at the edge of Hyde Park, and now in the Rosedale area, everything was overhead - power, AT&T, Time Warner, etc. Some parts were buried, but they weren't buried very far, just from a pole to a junction box. Wish we had buried stuff all over Austin, because it would cut down on outtages and improve the look.
    My neighborhood has everything underground (got boxes and manholes all over my back yard in the easement), and combined with being next to Pflugerville, i'm not going to hold my breath for this. If they do offer it though, i'm signing up instantly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AtomHeartBevo View Post
    From what has been said, Google's Fiber is like Grande, and running over the powerlines/telephone poles. I do remember several years ago when Burnett Rd and a few other areas were torn up for fiber and some other projects, but I believe it was multiple companies involved. I don't think Google tears up ground because that gets really expensive, especially in Austin/dealing with lots of rock.

    When I lived at the edge of Hyde Park, and now in the Rosedale area, everything was overhead - power, AT&T, Time Warner, etc. Some parts were buried, but they weren't buried very far, just from a pole to a junction box. Wish we had buried stuff all over Austin, because it would cut down on outtages and improve the look.
    Yeah, Google fiber here will have to run alongside existing telephone cabling infrastructure. Trying to dig and lay new lines throughout Austin would probably run into the billions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AtomHeartBevo View Post
    From what has been said, Google's Fiber is like Grande, and running over the powerlines/telephone poles. I do remember several years ago when Burnett Rd and a few other areas were torn up for fiber and some other projects, but I believe it was multiple companies involved. I don't think Google tears up ground because that gets really expensive, especially in Austin/dealing with lots of rock.

    When I lived at the edge of Hyde Park, and now in the Rosedale area, everything was overhead - power, AT&T, Time Warner, etc. Some parts were buried, but they weren't buried very far, just from a pole to a junction box. Wish we had buried stuff all over Austin, because it would cut down on outtages and improve the look.
    So - if true then - not in Mueller

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    Quote Originally Posted by rage-a-holic View Post
    Yeah, Google fiber here will have to run alongside existing telephone cabling infrastructure. Trying to dig and lay new lines throughout Austin would probably run into the billions.
    Any thoughts on what Uverse paid to cable things?

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    Any infrastructure from Google will come at the actually neighborhoods unless there's preexisting fiber going to the houses which there's not. That's why they'll want a minimum number of residents to subscribe before installing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skipperj View Post
    Any thoughts on what Uverse paid to cable things?
    Uverse doesn't go to the house. They go to the Node or Box outside of a neighborhood similar to other cable companies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maninblack View Post
    Uverse doesn't go to the house. They go to the Node or Box outside of a neighborhood similar to other cable companies.
    Ah. OK. They go the box inside the bush right at my house, but I think I am the terminus for my section of the neighborhood. Dug the $#@! up all the way to my house and stopped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maninblack View Post
    Uverse doesn't go to the house. They go to the Node or Box outside of a neighborhood similar to other cable companies.
    Uverse has fiber to my house. They just started doing this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skipperj View Post
    Ah. OK. They go the box inside the bush right at my house, but I think I am the terminus for my section of the neighborhood. Dug the $#@! up all the way to my house and stopped.
    They still spent a $#@!load to run fiber to the neighborhood VRADs. I would imagine several hundred million.

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    Quote Originally Posted by comet View Post
    Uverse has fiber to my house. They just started doing this.
    Where?

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    Quote Originally Posted by maninblack View Post
    Where?
    Mueller - brand new homes get FTTH. But there's no real advantage to it since the speed is still throttled and you are limited on number of channels to watch/record.

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    Yeah, as I said in the other thread, uverse is gonna be $#@!ed when this happens. TW can still open up higher speed consumer tiers and still have competitive pricing, but uverse can't do more than 24MB/3MB in most neighborhoods. That will look pitiful against what TW and Google will offer in a few years.

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    Are they running fiber optic cables into a box on the side of houses?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rage-a-holic View Post
    Yeah, Google fiber here will have to run alongside existing telephone cabling infrastructure. Trying to dig and lay new lines throughout Austin would probably run into the billions.
    so if in your neighborhood all of the power lines are buried you're not gonna get google fiber?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rage-a-holic View Post
    Yeah, as I said in the other thread, uverse is gonna be $#@!ed when this happens. TW can still open up higher speed consumer tiers and still have competitive pricing, but uverse can't do more than 24MB/3MB in most neighborhoods. That will look pitiful against what TW and Google will offer in a few years.

    Not sure I buy that about TWC - they have problem of shared lines. We'll see how fast they can get.

    AT&T limits the speeds on their FTTH installations for some reason - but I'm guessing that they can open that up real fast when they get competition.

    I hope google does come around here just so I can negotiate with AT&T again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maninblack View Post
    Are they running fiber optic cables into a box on the side of houses?
    They run the fiber at my place to a box in the garage. I saw the fiber - it was the size of a single strand of hair - couldn't believe all the data that goes over that thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rage-a-holic View Post
    Yeah, as I said in the other thread, uverse is gonna be $#@!ed when this happens. TW can still open up higher speed consumer tiers and still have competitive pricing, but uverse can't do more than 24MB/3MB in most neighborhoods. That will look pitiful against what TW and Google will offer in a few years.
    They're doing a lot with how they compress their signal and the lasers they're using. Different models. The company I work for has done testing on how the advancement of glass technology and the size of tv's effects output from different providers. Interesting stuff.

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    It's an expensive project.I'm sure it'll run into the tree fiddys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsoda3 View Post
    so if in your neighborhood all of the power lines are buried you're not gonna get google fiber?
    I really don't know how they plan to tackle Austin but I assume they've done a $#@!load of research and have confidence that it can be done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by comet View Post
    Not sure I buy that about TWC - they have problem of shared lines. We'll see how fast they can get.

    AT&T limits the speeds on their FTTH installations for some reason - but I'm guessing that they can open that up real fast when they get competition.
    TWC has shared lines but they can still demonstrate and sell near Gig download speeds.

    AT&T FTTH lines are a minority in Austin. The majority still suffer from a technological limitation, not a bandwidth restriction on the uverse end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rage-a-holic View Post
    TWC has shared lines but they can still demonstrate and sell near Gig download speeds.
    Also, most people aren't going to increase their usage just because the speeds are higher. TWC will just double everyone's speeds and/or drop the price to save face and either upgrade problem areas later or just point to the 'UP TO X Mpbs' clause when people complain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apd183 View Post
    Also, most people aren't going to increase their usage just because the speeds are higher. TWC will just double everyone's speeds and/or drop the price to save face and either upgrade problem areas later or just point to the 'UP TO X Mpbs' clause when people complain.
    From what's been said, that was what TWC did in the Kansas City area - increase speeds, drop prices. Don't know if it was all areas though, and some people were upset that TWC so easily upped speeds, since it became clear to everybody TWC could have done it years before.

    As for U-vers,when we moved to UVerse when it first became available in our area, we were told that we were lucky and that AT&T was close to stopping U-verse deployment in additional areas beyond what they had planned. This was an AT&T store employee, so normally take it worth a grain of salt, however after we had moved over to Grande, AT&T's people said deployment in new areas was virtually over (summer 2011). From that article, it came down to money and where AT&T was going to focus its resources. I think they are planning on deployments to several million more within the next few years, and will be upgrading U-verse to 45Mbs and 75Mbs in some areas, but it sounds like if you don't have U-verse by now, you won't get it in the future, and they are going to just focus on increasing the number of U-verse customers in existing areas.

    Really makes me wonder how bad AT&T wants to be in the ISP business, or maybe they make a lot more from the low-end users on regular DSL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rage-a-holic View Post
    I really don't know how they plan to tackle Austin but I assume they've done a $#@!load of research and have confidence that it can be done.
    Yeah, and it will take years to finish, and a lot of areas are pretty densely packed as it is so deployment will be easier in some locations.

    If I had to guess on where they would deploy first, it would be the area around UT and the areas like my neighborhood in the Rosedale area that have a ton of medical-related businesses, since that was where they were pushing in KC. You'd have a lot of high-bandwidth users in those areas who are constantly buying/using new gadgets. Up around 40th street and Lamar and then south of there and over to Medical Arts, you have I don't know how many little medical-related businesses and offices in converted homes or in the office buildings.

    Plus, like I said, I have Grande FTTH here, so I'm assuming the same reasons Grande deployed FTTH here would be the same reasons Google would use to justify it.

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    Google does in fact dig quite a bit it seems.



    It's used a lot and is cheaper and faster than normal methods.

    roadband Network Communications (BBNC) had tendered to use "micro-trenching" to roll out fibre in urban areas to be covered by Australia's national broadband network.

    BBNC's managing director Joe Tokarczuk told iTnews the technique allowed fibre to be deployed in a straight line up to a "kilometre a day" - much farther than was possible with other methods.

    He said BBNC could deploy fibre in Telstra's existing ducts or bypass them altogether, laying it instead in a "micro-trench".

    The trench was dug using equipment that could be mounted as an attachment to existing plant - for example, a bobcat.
    However, I think Austin probably has some unique issues, namely the rocky soil.

    DSLReports has a fiber forum that covers Google.

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    Yeah, Austin is basically a gigantic $#@!ing rock, thus the billions I estimated.

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    $#@!ing $#@!ing $#@!ing yes

    https://fiber.google.com/cities/#header=check

    Look at the very bottom.

    "Google Fiber’s Next Stop: Austin, Texas"

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    Quote Originally Posted by skipperj View Post
    Ah. OK. They go the box inside the bush right at my house, but I think I am the terminus for my section of the neighborhood.
    I found this comment strangely arousing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AtomHeartBevo View Post
    $#@!ing $#@!ing $#@!ing yes

    https://fiber.google.com/cities/#header=check

    Look at the very bottom.

    "Google Fiber’s Next Stop: Austin, Texas"
    LOL, they removed the entry. Guess somebody at Google decided they wanted to confirm it, but not confirm it.

    http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/05/g...-austin-rumor/


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    I have a TWC "sweet deal" contract I negotiated over a bill dispute that expires in October. Wonder if they'll be anywhere near installation by then (not negotiating a new lock-in after that but would be ready to leave as my deal is a good price and I'll pay more after then).

    So ready for this.

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