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    Quote Originally Posted by ZBTHorn View Post
    AT&T, Time Warner say they’ll step up to compete with Google Fiber

    http://www.statesman.com/news/busine...te-with/nXHLJ/
    However, Tracy King, the company’s vice president of public relations, said AT&T would do so only if “the demand is there and if we get the same terms and conditions as Google received.”

    Those conditions, she said, include a faster regulatory approval process and the ability to build its network only in those neighborhoods where there is demonstrated demand for the service.
    Glad this is having the desired effect of forcing some actual competition, but I don't know what the $#@! Ms. King is talking about, because AT&T does not offer Uverse everywhere as it is right now, so not sure why they think the city would try and force them to build a Gigabit network everywhere.
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    Time Warner sucks $#@! by choice.

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    How come the cities don't build their own networks and then the ISP use them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slikwille View Post
    How come the cities don't build their own networks and then the ISP use them?
    Because the providers try to $#@!block them from providing services.

    On another site, somebody brought up the fact that AT&T is based out of Dallas, and this is kind of in their backyard, which is why they are bitching/deciding to offer a Gigabit network. Interesting idea.
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    Ah the old "we have an agreement with the city so whatever $#@! you!" approach from TWC.

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    Anyone ever considered that Google was started with government technology to provide an access point to spy on everyone? After all, doesn't that big fat data center in Utah need to be fed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolemite View Post
    Anyone ever considered that Google was started with government technology to provide an access point to spy on everyone? After all, doesn't that big fat data center in Utah need to be fed?

    so how does google track your viewing habits and then get ads to you and what not ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolemite View Post
    Anyone ever considered that Google was started with government technology to provide an access point to spy on everyone? After all, doesn't that big fat data center in Utah need to be fed?
    It's a conspiracy!!!1!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tx 3 putt View Post
    so how does google track your viewing habits and then get ads to you and what not ?
    My guess is that they can track all traffic, not just stuff that is explicitly hooked into Google. Even if you are in incognito mode, or have cookies blocked. Deliver ads the same way, but more targeted. For example, Scraps is going to get a lot more midget related ads, even though he visited sexydwarfmaids.com in privacy mode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolemite View Post
    Anyone ever considered that Google was started with government technology to provide an access point to spy on everyone? After all, doesn't that big fat data center in Utah need to be fed?
    Hard to say if you're serious or not, but none of the ISPs are innocent.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A

    Room 641A is a telecommunication interception facility operated by AT&T for the U.S. National Security Agency that commenced operations in 2003 and was exposed in 2006

    Room 641A is located in the SBC Communications building at 611 Folsom Street, San Francisco, three floors of which were occupied by AT&T before SBC purchased AT&T. The room was referred to in internal AT&T documents as the SG3 [Study Group 3] Secure Room. It is fed by fiber optic lines from beam splitters installed in fiber optic trunks carrying Internet backbone traffic and, as analyzed by J. Scott Marcus, a former CTO for GTE and a former adviser to the FCC, has access to all Internet traffic that passes through the building, and therefore "the capability to enable surveillance and analysis of internet content on a massive scale, including both overseas and purely domestic traffic." Former director of the NSA’s World Geopolitical and Military Analysis Reporting Group, William Binney, has estimated that 10 to 20 such facilities have been installed throughout the nation.
    Hepting vs AT&T

    Hepting v. AT&T is a United States class action lawsuit filed in January 2006 by the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) against the telecommunications company AT&T, in which the EFF alleges that AT&T permitted and assisted the National Security Agency (NSA) in unlawfully monitoring the communications of the United States, including AT&T customers, businesses and third parties whose communications were routed through AT&T's network, as well as Voice over IP telephone calls routed via the Internet.

    The case is separate from, but related to, the NSA warrantless surveillance controversy, in which the federal government agency bypassed the courts to monitor U.S. phone calls without warrants. Hepting v. AT&T does not include the federal government as a party.

    In July 2006, the United States District Court for the Northern District of California—in which the suit was filed—rejected a federal government motion to dismiss the case. The motion to dismiss, which invoked the State Secrets Privilege, had argued that any court review of the alleged partnership between the federal government and AT&T would harm national security.

    The case was immediately appealed to the Ninth Circuit. It was dismissed on June 3, 2009, citing retroactive legislation in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. On October 9, 2012, the Supreme Court of the United States denied to review Hepting.
    We don't know what Google has actually done with all of that data other than spam ads, but we absolutely know that AT&T was allowing the NSA to have full access to AT&T customer communications.

    Unfortunately Congress made the illegality of that go away with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and while the claims are that the NSA is now restricted only to incoming and outgoing communications with other countries, they still technically have access to our communications through the various facilities it has setup with the communications providers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tx 3 putt View Post
    so how does google track your viewing habits and then get ads to you and what not ?
    They have to make a living after all, so they monitor web addresses that you have been to and then puts ads on of things you have looked at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AtomHeartBevo View Post
    Hard to say if you're serious or not, but none of the ISPs are innocent.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A



    Hepting vs AT&T



    We don't know what Google has actually done with all of that data other than spam ads, but we absolutely know that AT&T was allowing the NSA to have full access to AT&T customer communications.

    U.
    Google knows what are all thinking simply by how and what we search on the internet.

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    They already know where you live and monitor what you say. So be loud! Demand service!

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    http://www.statesman.com/news/busine...ome-ans/nXHMk/

    The coverage is limited to the city of Austin, although Google did not get specific about geographic boundaries. Representatives said they don’t have plans to add Round Rock, Kyle or San Antonio as part of this roll-out. In addition to homes, Google will also provide Gigabit to about 100 public organizations that the city of Austin has helped choose.
    Will the Internet service be limited? Google has no plans for bandwidth “caps” that would charge more if a user downloaded more than a set amount of data. Google’s plans may affect pricing and service for established Internet providers like AT&T, Time Warner Cable and Grande Communications.
    Will Google offer any other Internet services in Austin? Lo said that there have been discussions about offering Wi-Fi in Austin, but there are no firm plans for that right now.

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    Local tech writer for Gigaom talked to AT&T.

    http://gigaom.com/2013/04/09/att-and...it-a-good-one/

    Sounds like AT&T will be extending its Uverse fiber infrastructure all the way up to the home itself. Given that AT&T made it clear they don't want to deploy this everywhere, makes me think they will probably only convert existing Uverse areas.

    This was the big thing to come out of the article though:

    Well, AT&T wants to do something similar. AT&T would like to follow a strategy where communities help drive demand for the gigabit service, Solomon said. When I asked if that means aggregating demand and then serving those communities he said that was something AT&T was interested in.

    But there’s a big downside to this plan for the end user and the cities. Having both Google and AT&T trying to convince customers to sign up for their respective gigabit service effectively splits the vote. Solomon didn’t comment on that possibility, but did say AT&T wants to offer competitive pricing and build offers around wireless and other AT&T products.
    At worst, neighbors who are split between Google or AT&T will not meet the threshold to get a buildout, and no one gets a gig.

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    i wish this $#@! was just citywide wifi that was fast as $#@! and free. why can't they just do that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by erniefromclass View Post
    i wish this $#@! was just citywide wifi that was fast as $#@! and free. why can't they just do that?
    It would be way slower and way less reliable, also probably more expensive unless we used homeless people as hotspots

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    Quote Originally Posted by erniefromclass View Post
    i wish this $#@! was just citywide wifi that was fast as $#@! and free. why can't they just do that?


    "$$ signs"

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    Quote Originally Posted by AtomHeartBevo View Post
    Local tech writer for Gigaom talked to AT&T.

    http://gigaom.com/2013/04/09/att-and...it-a-good-one/

    Sounds like AT&T will be extending its Uverse fiber infrastructure all the way up to the home itself. Given that AT&T made it clear they don't want to deploy this everywhere, makes me think they will probably only convert existing Uverse areas.

    This was the big thing to come out of the article though:

    Well, AT&T wants to do something similar. AT&T would like to follow a strategy where communities help drive demand for the gigabit service, Solomon said. When I asked if that means aggregating demand and then serving those communities he said that was something AT&T was interested in.

    But there’s a big downside to this plan for the end user and the cities. Having both Google and AT&T trying to convince customers to sign up for their respective gigabit service effectively splits the vote. Solomon didn’t comment on that possibility, but did say AT&T wants to offer competitive pricing and build offers around wireless and other AT&T products.
    At worst, neighbors who are split between Google or AT&T will not meet the threshold to get a buildout, and no one gets a gig.
    This is a good find in that article. It explains a great reason why people need to do all they can to convince neighborhoods to switch over. Because IMHO, AT&T is doing nothing but selling the idea of gigabit (with little intention of delivering), in hopes that the idea is enough to keep people from allowing Google to hit their threshold.

    I think that people that are tired of the crap of these $#@!ty ISPs need to work doubly hard to sell people on the idea of why Google Fiber is the way to go. If I wasn't moving out of town, I would be all over this. I would probably be willing to pay my neighbor's pre-registration fees, if only to help get close to the threshold.

    But it does raise some questions: Initially on buildout, Google will only hit the fiberhoods that make their threshold for installation. However, will that last? Or will Google cover the fiberhoods that don't make threshold too?

    It would be very interesting to talk with people in Kansas City to see how that has gone, and if the thresholds are only there as an incentive for the initially buildout, and if eventually they are offering services city wide.

    I can't fathom that Google is dumb and doesn't understand the game that AT&T (and probably TWC) is playing here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Ron View Post
    But it does raise some questions: Initially on buildout, Google will only hit the fiberhoods that make their threshold for installation. However, will that last? Or will Google cover the fiberhoods that don't make threshold too?

    It would be very interesting to talk with people in Kansas City to see how that has gone, and if the thresholds are only there as an incentive for the initially buildout, and if eventually they are offering services city wide.

    I can't fathom that Google is dumb and doesn't understand the game that AT&T (and probably TWC) is playing here.
    I wonder how it will play out as well. Austin is more dense than KC, and it has a pretty concentrated north/south corridor. Somebody made a comment on Ars or Gigaom about how KC seemed to be a proof of concept and that Austin was truly the first round, given the relatively strong (if not whiny) response of AT&T to the Austin announcement, and that Austin would probably end up being a much larger deployment, which does threaten TWC/AT&T.

    If I was an AT&T stockholder, I would be $#@!ing furious. AT&T could have extended their Uverse fiber all the way to the home in the cities that lost out on Google Fiber and they would basically own those cities, and they could charge more than Google and even have caps, and still own those cities. At the very least, they could have seriously challenged the national ISPs in a lot of cities.

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    DSL Reports explains why AT&T is $#@!ed or $#@!ed up depending on how you look at it.

    http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/W...y-Empty-123807

    Like Time Warner Cable, AT&T's press release very much wants the press and public to conflate their ability to offer 1 Gbps over the core network (and to businesses for a small fortune) with offering 1 Gbps lines inexpensively to consumers and businesses alike.

    However, the phrase "prepared to build" to those of us fluent in AT&T speak can be translated to "you sir, are very nicely dressed and I would be more than happy to hold your wallet while you visit the restroom."

    Here on planet Earth, AT&T's current residential broadband offerings have struggled to keep pace with cable, much less fiber. Particularly upstream, where AT&T struggles to deliver 5 mbps to the vast majority of its customers. Remind me, what's the difference between 1 Gbps and 5 Mbps again?
    While Google Fiber certainly has seen some sweetheart regulatory arrangements, AT&T too has spent the last decade being deregulated state by state, and the result hasn't been magic 1 Gbps blossoms and price-slashing fairies, it has almost uniformly been higher prices and worse service. That is courtesy of limited competition and regulatory capture, two things that Google Fiber will at least chip away at on a small, local scale.
    All of this could provide some weird and entertaining theatrics in Austin, but it doesn't do much for the tens of millions of AT&T DSL customers stuck on ultra-slow speeds the company has shown absolutely no interest in upgrading.
    They go on to say that the days of AT&T significantly expanding their broadband offerings is over and that they are focusing on wireless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AtomHeartBevo View Post
    I wonder how it will play out as well. Austin is more dense than KC, and it has a pretty concentrated north/south corridor. Somebody made a comment on Ars or Gigaom about how KC seemed to be a proof of concept and that Austin was truly the first round, given the relatively strong (if not whiny) response of AT&T to the Austin announcement, and that Austin would probably end up being a much larger deployment, which does threaten TWC/AT&T.

    If I was an AT&T stockholder, I would be $#@!ing furious. AT&T could have extended their Uverse fiber all the way to the home in the cities that lost out on Google Fiber and they would basically own those cities, and they could charge more than Google and even have caps, and still own those cities. At the very least, they could have seriously challenged the national ISPs in a lot of cities.
    I am in agreement here. AT&T has know about this for 4 days now, and this is the best they can come up with? And let's be fair, they have know that Google Fiber was an imminent threat since it was announced, so really their response is pretty poor. Only covering Google's area is a joke.

    I will say this about the article you posted - it is a lot of speculation on the part of the writer. Sure it has some quotes and stuff, but IMHO, Higginbotham should either be on a plane to KC or on the phone with whoever she needs to speak with to get the full scoop on Google's deployment in KC. It isn't like this is a guess, there has been one roll out that is under way. They should be talking w/ those people. I know Google isn't going to show their Austin cards now, but with how KC went, we can get some idea of their strategy for Austin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolemite View Post
    They have to make a living after all, so they monitor web addresses that you have been to and then puts ads on of things you have looked at.
    Use a proxy that will conceal your destination and direct all your traffic over SSL. That way the ISP doesn't know where you go beyond the proxy, and they can't look at what you're transmitting since it's encrypted with SSL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deviant Khan View Post
    Use a proxy that will conceal your destination and direct all your traffic over SSL. That way the ISP doesn't know where you go beyond the proxy, and they can't look at what you're transmitting since it's encrypted with SSL.
    Sure, but 99% of the people won't do that, so the ISP's don't care. You're not their target anyway. Their target is people that will see an ad for "exactly what I was thinking about!"

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    Google employee was on Fox Austin's morning show.

    No story or anything of note, just wanted to post this picture of Keri Bellacosa flashing a certain gesture and a certain pair of legs (from the Facebook page about the Google Fiber story):

    https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...38555077_o.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by skipperj View Post
    Sure, but 99% of the people won't do that, so the ISP's don't care. You're not their target anyway. Their target is people that will see an ad for "exactly what I was thinking about!"
    Yeah, but 99% of people aren't that paranoid or don't care. For the 1% there's a solution and for the other 99% they aren't aware or ignore the problem. For the record, I'm only part of that 1% because of UseNets, which is less paranoia and more precaution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AtomHeartBevo View Post
    Google employee was on Fox Austin's morning show.

    No story or anything of note, just wanted to post this picture of Keri Bellacosa flashing a certain gesture and a certain pair of legs (from the Facebook page about the Google Fiber story):

    https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...38555077_o.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slikwille View Post
    How come the cities don't build their own networks and then the ISP use them?
    Especially since cities do such a great job in everything else they do.

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    I'm going to bump this link every few days to make sure people are signing up. Also, please consider checking "I want to help bring Fiber to my community". It might be nothing more than posting flyers in your neighborhood, but it would suck to find out that your neighborhood missed the threshold cutoff by a few households and you could have done something to prevent it.

    https://fiber.google.com/cities/austin/

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    Only on Shaggy is competition a bad thing.

    When Google gets going AT&T will be forced to respond or lose customers. If they have the technical capacity they will and if they don't they'll have to compete on price or go home.

    Either way it's a good thing and if AT&T has already announced its ability and intention to compete this is a good thing. And if they can't then Google will clean up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rage-a-holic View Post
    I'm going to bump this link every few days to make sure people are signing up. Also, please consider checking "I want to help bring Fiber to my community". It might be nothing more than posting flyers in your neighborhood, but it would suck to find out that your neighborhood missed the threshold cutoff by a few households and you could have done something to prevent it.

    https://fiber.google.com/cities/austin/
    Thankfully Austin is pretty good about getting people to go door-to-door. If your neighborhood does parties/events, those would be good times as well. I know mine has a big July 4th gathering, and they'll have all kinds of stuff there, might bring a small table and a bunch of info. Hell, could probably find somebody at Google to come talk about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slikwille View Post
    How come the cities don't build their own networks and then the ISP use them?

    Two words: Capital Metro

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    Quote Originally Posted by comet View Post
    Only on Shaggy is competition a bad thing.

    When Google gets going AT&T will be forced to respond or lose customers. If they have the technical capacity they will and if they don't they'll have to compete on price or go home.

    Either way it's a good thing and if AT&T has already announced its ability and intention to compete this is a good thing. And if they can't then Google will clean up.
    This isn't only a Shaggy thing. AT&T has faced competition from Time Warner, Verizon, Comcast and other small mom & pops like Grande as well. They, like the other big players, have shown a lack of anything that demonstrates doing what it takes to help the customer. In fact, TWC, AT&T and the like have shown a big tendency to let the market remain static. Reach a point of "equilibrium" with the other providers and hold the status quo for a long time.

    Google isn't rolling out Fiber because they want to get in the game, they are doing it as tech shaming. Gigabit and low cost internet access should be the norm in the country. They were able to roll it out pretty easy without being in the ISP business. These are companies that have been in this business for a long time, and clearly are overcharging us for something that has little cost involved on their end (just look at the good ol' boy companies have dropped prices in the face of this competition).

    In normal circumstances competition is a great thing. But these are companies that play by different sets of rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Ron View Post
    I am in agreement here. AT&T has know about this for 4 days now, and this is the best they can come up with? And let's be fair, they have know that Google Fiber was an imminent threat since it was announced, so really their response is pretty poor. Only covering Google's area is a joke.

    I will say this about the article you posted - it is a lot of speculation on the part of the writer. Sure it has some quotes and stuff, but IMHO, Higginbotham should either be on a plane to KC or on the phone with whoever she needs to speak with to get the full scoop on Google's deployment in KC. It isn't like this is a guess, there has been one roll out that is under way. They should be talking w/ those people. I know Google isn't going to show their Austin cards now, but with how KC went, we can get some idea of their strategy for Austin.
    I think AT&T will do just enough to try and share some of the spotlight. Hell, they are probably brainstorming on taking some Uverse areas and converting them to true FTTH before the end of the year just to get some attention. They've really backed themselves into a corner in some ways, but at the same time they have plenty of Uverse customers they could convert to true FTTH with a lot less work than Google. They would need to invest in new hardware at the node/block/neighborhood level obviously, and at the customer's end, but they could put in an order for the appropriate hardware and start installing it within months without having to do much, if any, paperwork or clearance from the city or utilities, since they would be stringing fiber along the same infrastructure they already use. When we got Uverse, they replaced the cabling that ran from our house to a pole across the street. They could easily have been putting in fiber instead of copper and I wondered about that at the time. Hell, they could have run fiber with the copper cabling they installed, just for future proofing.

    Maybe they ought to pull their copper cabling and sell it to help pay for the fiber.

    As for the writer, yeah, surprised Gigaom doesn't have her or somebody in KC. The only complaints I see from actual KC users is on the Facebook pages, and it's mainly about "why aren't you in my neighborhood yet?"

    Lot of KC people bitching about Austin because their neighborhoods aren't wired yet, but they don't seem to understand that Austin has no impact on KC, since it'll be different people installing (local contractors).

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    $#@! ATT Uvers,

    So this is what you get for $120 a month assuming the prices will be some what the same.

    Your new remote Get Google's new Android tablet, the Nexus 7, free with this package. Go beyond your standard remote's search and discovery experience. Seamlessly watch on your tablet in other rooms of your house.



    TV Box Get access to live TV, on-demand shows, and Internet content. Every TV Box is HD-ready, so there are no extra monthly fees to watch HD.



    Network Box Access Google Fiber all over your
    home by directly connecting to one
    of the four 1 Gbps Ethernet ports, or by
    accessing the high speed Wi-Fi. And
    stay safe with the gigabit firewall.



    Storage Box With two terabytes of storage, you can record all your favorite TV shows without ever worrying about having enough
    space. Add your own photos, videos,
    and music and access them from
    any device in your home.

    • Record it all The two terabyte hard drive means you can save up to 500 hours of your favorite content
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    A terabyte
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    Keep everything. Share anything. Google Drive is everywhere you are – on the web, in your home, at the office and on the go.



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    I don't think ATT and TWC and all the others can even compete IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Ron View Post
    This isn't only a Shaggy thing. AT&T has faced competition from Time Warner, Verizon, Comcast and other small mom & pops like Grande as well. They, like the other big players, have shown a lack of anything that demonstrates doing what it takes to help the customer. In fact, TWC, AT&T and the like have shown a big tendency to let the market remain static. Reach a point of "equilibrium" with the other providers and hold the status quo for a long time.

    Google isn't rolling out Fiber because they want to get in the game, they are doing it as tech shaming. Gigabit and low cost internet access should be the norm in the country. They were able to roll it out pretty easy without being in the ISP business. These are companies that have been in this business for a long time, and clearly are overcharging us for something that has little cost involved on their end (just look at the good ol' boy companies have dropped prices in the face of this competition).

    In normal circumstances competition is a great thing. But these are companies that play by different sets of rules.
    Well, my experience with AT&T while not perfect has been light years better than TWC and every month I get to say a little "$#@! you" to TWC as I send my money elsewhere. But I ain't loyal, if Google comes in and offers a better cheaper service I will drop Uverse like a bad date. I don't care or pretend to know what google's motivations are. If they want to come in and shame AT&T and TWC and I benefit, great. If AT&T wants to uo their ante and provide me a better cheaper service because Google is in town, fanfuckingtastick. This is all soooooo much Better when TWC basically charged a fortune did t give a crap about service and didn't have to because they were the only game in town.
    Last edited by comet; 04-10-2013 at 09:36 PM.

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    wouldn't be surprised if att responds by placing bandwidth usage caps on current subscribers. protecting the "good" customers and whatnot.

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    Now that there's been some time to respond, both the initial rumor and then the announcement, it's interesting to see TWC's stock.



    The rumors picked up on Friday/April 5, but it recovered by the end of the day, only to see the rumors all but confirmed over the weekend so that it started Monday off by dropping.

    I've been somewhat amazed at the national and international coverage of this. All of the major media companies have covered it in one form or another. Lots of coverage in the financial media as well. Saw a couple of articles saying that Google investors should be happy that Google is expanding, as it's another long-term revenue stream and it diversifies Google a little bit more.

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    I'd like to think that last little tail downward was due to my signing up for updates to Google on the roll-out.

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    Has anyone else tried to get a better deal out of AT&T based on the fiber announcement? Clearly we still have a year or more to go, but I'm wondering if I can get some $$'s shaved off my bill nonetheless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slikwille View Post
    How come the cities don't build their own networks and then the ISP use them?
    i thought that the tx leg passed a bill denying cities the ability to do so

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichUT View Post
    Has anyone else tried to get a better deal out of AT&T based on the fiber announcement? Clearly we still have a year or more to go, but I'm wondering if I can get some $$'s shaved off my bill nonetheless.
    see my post above. i went straight to the "disconnect desk" without asking for offers. eventually they asked what i can (or would be willing to pay). i told them i might think about it at half price. hold for supervisor. supervisor approved the discount for 12 mos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by random horn View Post
    i thought that the tx leg passed a bill denying cities the ability to do so
    I don't know about Tex Lege, but that is true in North Carolina.

    http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/N...tention-114186

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    Each TV Box also has a Wi-Fi access point built in, so you will get better Wi-Fi coverage throughout your house and eliminate dead spots. We designed the TV Box to extend your Internet access throughout your home by turning every TV into a Wi-FI router, along with an Ethernet port where you can connect your game console or other wired device for up to 100 Mbps (not the full gigabit speed, which is achievable only by connecting directly to the Network Box).
    http://support.google.com/fiber/answer/2464928?hl=en

    just saw this -- bad ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The University View Post
    Each TV Box also has a Wi-Fi access point built in, so you will get better Wi-Fi coverage throughout your house and eliminate dead spots. We designed the TV Box to extend your Internet access throughout your home by turning every TV into a Wi-FI router, along with an Ethernet port where you can connect your game console or other wired device for up to 100 Mbps (not the full gigabit speed, which is achievable only by connecting directly to the Network Box). http://support.google.com/fiber/answer/2464928?hl=en

    just saw this -- bad ass.
    Not to sound ungrateful, but it would have been a lot cooler for the TV boxes to have gig ports. Their whole selling point is "gig everywhere, 100x faster!" so why not? That way, Google wires your whole house for gig speeds during the install. Instead, customers that want gig throughout the house will still need to run their own cabling and buy gig switches.

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    Google fiber Waco please gooby?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rage-a-holic View Post
    Not to sound ungrateful, but it would have been a lot cooler for the TV boxes to have gig ports. Their whole selling point is "gig everywhere, 100x faster!" so why not? That way, Google wires your whole house for gig speeds during the install. Instead, customers that want gig throughout the house will still need to run their own cabling and buy gig switches.
    Could be they assume most TV boxes will be setup wirelessly. Cheaper on their part than running cable, and no point in adding gigabit if the wireless is not going to hit it.

    Or they are deliberately limiting it so that you can still record 8 HD channels at once and they are watching bandwidth on the TV box (or maybe the hardware can't handle 8 HD streams plus somebody pulling god knows what down through the box). All they need is somebody bitching that they are recording a bunch of HD channels and their PC that's plugged into the TV box is torrenting and why are things slowing down or getting blocky.

    It is impressive though. Lot of thought put into all of this. On the one hand they want to force the telcos/ISPs' hand. On the other, they are clearly in this for the long haul and wanting to make the experience so much better than what we have now.
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