This offense will never score more than 21 points against any team other than Rice and maybe Kansas. I think we get swept by the higher octane offensive teams simply because Texas can't hang with any team in a track meet. If the problems in the secondary aren't worked out by the Cal game, 5 wins is a dream. Tech will crush Texas if the secondary plays anything like yesterday.
Realistically, Texas has at least 5 more game this season where they lose by better than three touchdowns.
I'm ok with giving Coach Strong another year to rebuild, but not if he refuses to jettison what weighs us down. I don't think Watson survives another single digit score, nor should he.
The problem I see is that this OC has never fielded a team this bad. Why are we seeing this again? Why are the Florida players the only ones that look like they aren't new to the game?
People aren't blind to what a good coaching hire can do for a wallowing team, see OU, tOSU, LSU, USC, UF, UT, Bama, AU, FSU, tOSU.
Look how many top teams were on the skids, made good hires, and within 2 years were competing or winning at the highest level. Absolutely there were a few teams stacked by their predecessor like Miles at LSU, or Meyer at tOSU. But damn, most of them were bad coaches replaced by good coaches, who brought in good coordinators and had an immediate impact.
Many here relayed the saving grace that was our last 2 games last season, "at least we won't see Swoopes start another game." Guess what? We know what to expect on offense this season with the combo of Swoopes and Watson, and it's not good.
The Rice game will be diagnostic. Not the score, but whether, against inferior talent (sorry, Owls), football fundamentals are apparent--on the field, on the sideline, and in the booth. Of course, the score, too, could be diagnostic, in a way too horrible to contemplate.
Wanted to clear something up, cause I've been critical of Strong and Swoopes on this thread. No way a guy should get fired one game into his second season, barring a Bobby Petrino moment.
I do not agree with some of the personnel decisions both on the field and in the coaching ranks. There have also been some dumbass moments, such as winning the coin toss and electing to kick off rather than deferring.
I'll be critical of those decisions, etc., etc,. but once hired, a coach needs a chance.
Horns open 0-7, that's a different story.
I will support Coach Strong til the very end. I respect him as a person and professional. However, if Swoopes starts against Rice and Watson is still here pulling a salary on Saturday, I'm not going to defend Coach anymore. Whatever happens, happens.
I like Coach Strong. But I also just realized we've scored one touchdown in our last 12 quarters of football.
To put that in perspective. That's only one more touchdown than I've scored in my last 12 quarters of football.
"@rodbabers: Also, #Texas had extra time to prepare for TCU (11 days), Arkansas (31 days) & ND (9+ mos) & we were outscored by 97 total pts in those gms"
Swoopes can't run, but he can't pass either. Go with Heard or Kai. Let's at least be one dimensional, instead of no dimensional. Quit wasting time with a guy who can't make game day decisions. And if they aren't the answer either, than you really $#@!ed up not getting a guy in here who could play this year. Gus Malzahn faced the exact same situation when he went into Auburn 2 years ago. There wasn't a QB on the roster who could play at a D1 level. He went out and got Nick Marshall, as unlikely a QB as you would ever find. Did it hurt a lot of feelings with the existing roster of QB's? Yes. Did he worry about it? No. That was his first season. We are now 2 years in, with no end it sight. Do I blame the guy making $5 million a year? Yes.
As for Strong, a few thoughts:
1) You have to extrapolate Saturday's performance in projecting whether he could or should be terminated after two years. If we are as bad and hopeless as we looked Saturday, then we're going to go 3-9 and yes, Strong could very well be fired based on the trajectory of the program at that point-- in Waco on December 7, 2013, we went into halftime tied 3-3 in a game that, had we won, would have landed us in the BCS. I know and you know that a BCS bid by that team would have basically been a joke, but there are plenty of Mack Brown fans with influence at Bellmont who think we fired a coach who came within 30 minutes of completing his planned turnaround. To them, Strong would have taken a BCS team and run off a dozen players before going 6-7 with 5 20-pt losses and then followed that up with a 3-9 season (which would be Texas' worst since 1956) filled with another half-dozen blowout losses, all while A&M, TCU, and Baylor chased playoff berths.
Strong absolutely could be fired if we crater and go 3-9, and whether you agree he should or not in that scenario, there is one good argument for it: there is a point past which a coach cannot revive his program. We gave Mack Brown three chances to recover from 5-7 and he couldn't do it. About the only flagship program I can recall doing it under one coach was Penn State with Paterno and he was merely a figurehead by 2005.
2) To the extent that perception matters, you have to be extremely careful firing the first black head coach in your program's history. Notre Dame took a ton of $#@! for firing the woefully over-his-head Ty Willingham when it became clear that a) recruiting wasn't a "Ty" thing and b) his Xs and Os couldn't overcome that lack of interest in talent acquisition.
We struggled for years to overcome the bull$#@! reputation spread by our mendacious SWC rivals that "Texas will take your people, but you'll be a second class citizen compared to how we treat y'all folk in (College Station/Waco/Fayetteville)". I have no doubt that if Charlie's tenure at Texas ends on anyone but Charlie's terms, everyone we recruit against, and anyone in media looking for a hundred thousand cheap hits, will revive the rumor that not only is t.u. a bunch of gay pot smoking hippies, we're also virulently racist. To be clear, I could care less about what anyone else thinks of our University and I am not suggesting we should keep Charlie past his expiration date if, for example, on January 1st, 2019 he's 36-28 as our head coach without a conference title. I am saying we could potentially damage our recruiting if we pull the trigger too quickly.
If we're going to fire him, we have to be sure. For that reason, if he's borderline-- if he takes a sloppy, ugly team to Waco and loses by 20 pts in a "conference championship" game and finishes 8-5-- we're probably keeping him.
3) Lastly Tom Herman will crawl through 180 miles of broken glass to get to Austin any time we want to offer him the head coaching position and we don't have to break the bank to make that happen. Herman is a big reason why I'm willing to roll the dice on cutting Strong loose if his third season doesn't show some serious traction. Seriously, watch this guy the next two years.
Last edited by WhoooTex; 09-07-2015 at 08:39 AM.
Another thing - if you watched Heard Saturday in limited action, you'd want him relative to Swoopes in a very bad way.
Last edited by Rex Kramer; 09-07-2015 at 08:44 AM.
They say you never want to be the guy to follow the "legend..."
But JFC Charlie is going to get at least 3 years, if not 4. Firing a guy after year 2 is the dumbest idea on the face of the Earth. No one will want to coach here because there is zero job security if you can't even honor half a contract. Barring him going 0-12 this year, he's getting year 3.
Watson though, will most likely not last half the season.
Just hit the report button.
I think I'm getting more and more depressed reading my thread
We should get a banner that just says "Beat Rice" because the "or else" is implied, like a hard mother $#@!er. He'll get the message.
Ok, woke up a little forgiving today...I'm giving him this season. Let's see the response to this last ass whipping. Game by game evaluation.
I have softened my stance on Strong a wee bit from Saturday but he had better address the offensive side of the ball asap. If he allows Watson to trot out that abortion of an offense against Rice and Cal, all bets are off. He had better hope they win big against Rice, and I do not think Texas can at this point.
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