But I am highly doubtful him staying here longer will do anything besides make the job of the next guy that much more difficult. This next recruiting class is incredibly vital...and it looks bad.
Anyone who is talking about a midseason firing is an idiot. Whether it's the right or wrong thing to do, it won't happen. He'll have to set the world on fire for the rest of the season IMO to keep his job. Mack's late failure against OU were what I called program killers. It some people's minds it negates every thing positive you've done, squashes recruiting momentum, fanbase enthusiasm, etc. This is one of those games. Even when he was on the hot seat, Mack had recent 8 win seasons and a National Championship to buy time. Strong has nothing in the bank.
Last edited by Lhorn; 10-03-2015 at 07:13 PM.
It took him 8 years to climb that mountain and that was without aggy recruiting to the SEC, and without Baylor and TCU being in the midst of consecutive Top 10 seasons. The road is harder now without a doubt.
The knock on Mack is that the ou loss always kept us from winning the Big 12 championship. Hell, we at least played for a shot in 1999 with a 9-5 record. But all those 1-2 loss years went to waste until we finally got a Rose Bowl.
We're not saying you only get 2 years to win a championship, or else you're fired. We're saying if you burn the program down and perform worse than any coach we've had since the 1950s, then yes, you may get fired after 2 years.
The 2 OU were by far the worst.
18 to UCLA and KSU
UCLA wasn't even that close really.
21 to Arky
No need to rehash his last 4 years.
The point, Lando, is we've suffered embarrassing losses before, and come out of it. This time though, it will be tougher because Strong started with less and the recruiting competition is deeper. When Baylor kicked our ass 50-7 in '88 or '89, or UCLA beat us 66-3, it didn't hurt us in state as much as last year's TCU/Baylor losses or today's ass-whipping do.
I want us to stick it out, but I acknowledge that Texas fans likely will not have the patience to do so.
I challenge you to find a coach that loses 5 games his first season, then only wins 3-4 games his second season, that has ever been successful. Especially at a big time program like Texas. It's just as much about coaching as it is about the players. A good coach finds a way to build on the hand he's dealt rather than throw darts at the board and hope for the best.
In 1998? LOL we were not embarrassed at all at UCLA. We expected to be destroyed and actually showed alot of heart in coming back. The Arky loss occurred after the collapse at the end of the 1999 season but hey at least we won something,the division. Those losses should not even be compared to the current situation. We are not upsetting top 5 programs like Nebraska, getting #1 ranked recruiting classes, having a Heisman winner, and putting up big win total.
And you cannot use examples of McWilliams and Mackovic as examples of us coming out of embarrassing losses. Those killed them. They also destroyed our recruiting classes. Mack Brown was incredible in his ability to weather losses like that, most coaches cannot.
We're willing to have patience but you have to give us something. Any sign of progress at all to grasp onto. Excellent game management would be nice as well. And who are these amazing fans of a top College Program who have no problem being blown out time and time again?I want us to stick it out, but I acknowledge that Texas fans likely will not have the patience to do so.
I see zero progress right now and I see a team that is very poorly coached across the board. It's so pathetic right now.
There is no way you can spin any positives for Strong right now.
He simply had probably the best college QB at the time in Teddy in a conference that was on its way out of the BCS and was not good. I'm tired of seeing comparisons of those years to here. He's not in the Big East anymore playing the dumpster teams every week.
Recruits are seeing this $#@!. It's embarrassing.
And the worst thing is, we are paying him 5 mill a season for this bull$#@!.
Back when we hired charlie I was 100% he could turn it around. not so sure now. He's a good coach tho
Just last week, I was deep into a handle of whisky that I guess I just spazzed out on here. And got a timeout. But my stance is the same. I am not a fan of Strong. I have no issue with him getting a fair shot like any coach but jesus christ, these losses are not cutting it. These are just embarrassing. And there is no way the big boosters and powers in place are not getting antsy.
Strong is becoming the new David McWilliams, so Charlie McWilliams might post 1 good season if we give him 5. That's unacceptable.
I love charlie strong the person. Nobody is hurting more than he is. But this $#@! is unacceptable. If we were recruiting lights out I'd give him another year, but recruiting is dog $#@!. It's atrocious. There is no light at the end of the tunnel with this staff. Time to cut our losses and move on.
And j agree with whoever said hire an interim coach if a home run isn't available. We are digging a monster hole and cannot afford to miss again. These are 3-4 year mistakes we are making.
And kick Boyd off the team now.
Nothing in my posts were a positive spin for Charlie. Just historical perspective and an acknowledgement of how much tougher it is going to be to get out of the current situation. Whether it is Strong or someone else, we are in for a long rebuild. I think it's probably longer if we start over again, but there are good arguments to be made on the other side.
The only progress I hang my hat on is his record of developing tough hard assets into NFL picks. And that after last year's $#@! show, he was able to close some pretty big-time recruits, his way, using that past history as a pitch. Those players are playing, inconsistently yes, but he is clearly all in on them being the foundation(and his future). Signing Day will tell the tale on if he can pull a rabbit out of the hat again. He might be 1-11, 2-10, 7-5 or anywhere in between. Nobody knows.
Check out Florida and how fast a program can get turned around with a good coach.
I see him as mediocre.
Also, I don't recall Mack getting done like this at his end years. He still won games. He had that one $#@!ty season in the Gilbert year.
We gave Mack grief but he took Case and beat OU his last year. Yet we give Charlie all this praise for competing and patting him on the back? I don't get it. Well I do. He's not Mack. And yes, Mack wore out his welcome. But let's not act like Charlie took on the talents of the likes of Butt$#@! Directional State. And use that narrative to prop him up
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Charlie couldn't get a high level OC. didn't want to go full spread/hurry up because he thinks it doesn't help his defense. settled for Watson. meanwhile patterson is hiring $#@!bie, stoops hires Lincoln Riley.
what Charlie didn't understand is that you help your defense by scoring points because then you can pressure the other teams offense and take more risks. the TOP thing is gone in major college football. It doesn't matter and all the rules favor the offense.
Norvell and Traylor won't cut it. Norvell is a re-tread and Traylor is just too new to the college game.
Charlie needs a home run OC hire to provide some recruiting juice and Wickline needs to start doing his $#@!ing job or Charlie is toast. he's down to his last strike.
Mack getting 10 win seasons and bowl games wasn't the issue. Mack being Bob Stoops' bitch and losing more times than winning to Bob, leading to Texas not being able to win the big 12 or compete for a national title, year after year was the issue.
Mack turned around the program but he didn't optimize it. 13 years at Texas with only 2 conference titles, Bob Stoops has about 8 in 13 years.
Mack needed to go. He had topped out. Voting for him to stay was a vote for mediocrity. He has NOTHING to do with the strong hire and what comes of it (except to the extent he left the Cubbard bare, which he did).
CS has been a successful coach wherever he has been. At some point we have to ask where does the problem lie.
Yeah...I'm going to go ahead and say that it's possible that Strong lucked out too based on what I've seen thus far when he plays schools not known for their basketball programs.
There is now way to predict who signs where right now. I expect we'll get some we never thought we'd get, and we'll lose some we thought we would get.
There will be guys that base decisions on this year's record of the team they sign with...and some of those will have disappointing careers at those schools due to unforeseen challenges, just like the guys that signed here from '08 on.
Some guys will just love Texas and/or Strong and want to turn it around. Some guys will just wanna play early.
I still have hope this week, because after '13, I swore I'd never ruin Texas OU week again by swearing we have no shot.
Lose by 40+ again this week, save me a seat, but the schedule gets a bit more manageable after that until Baylor.
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