Strong put together some solidly ranked classes at Louisville...and, yeah, they weren't filled with P5-championship level recruits, probably a lot like the class Herman is putting together now but he did it in a place that has a dearth of home-grown talent. Strong did do a darn good job of developing a lot of his guys into NFL draft picks though.
Rivals recruiting ratings at Houston and Louisville from 2009 on. I picked 2009 because it was the last year that Strong would have had no influence on. I don't know how much he added late to the 2010 class, but it still would have been primarily Kragthorpes(?) class. Obviously this year is yet to be concluded so the rankings could be wildly different in a few months, also this is just raw data, I don't know if any extra context is necessary or not, as I am no scholar of Houston or Louisville.
Year Houston Rank Louisville Rank
2009 61 77
2010 45 48
2011 74 29
2012 60 42
2013 50 52
2014 78 40
2015 90 32
2016 37 23
Hopefully that formatted well, take whatever conclusions you want from it. My earlier quote on Charlie's recruiting comes from what I remember hearing people say when we hired him. It looks like there recruiting has improved since he left, and Houston also appears to be the tougher place to recruit at. I've been a pretty avid Charlie supporter, he was my 2nd choice of those I considered realistic when we hired him. I still think he can achieve success here at Texas, but this season has led me to doubt whether he will be elite(national championship winner). If we keep Charlie I won't be mad, I just think Herman has more upside at Texas than Charlie does.
To me Herman has done even less than Strong and even with another good year at Houston, we are still just throwing $5M at a guy who has shown no tangible proof they can run a P5 program.
Would love to see the buyout and list of schools he can leave for on this contract.
ThayerEvansSI: Houston HC Tom Herman signed new 5-year deal this morning for approx. $2.8 million annually & includes $200,000 more for staff per source.
Actually, this tweet tells the buyout which is very easy to pay.
BruceFeldmanCFB: SOURCE: Tom Herman inks new deal w/ #UH at $3 MIL. Buyout is $2.25 next YR. New deal inc. guarantees for significant program improvements.
Last edited by mdmost; 12-04-2015 at 08:45 AM.
Love that coach Herman has decided to stay
I wonder who the other 4 coaches are that won their first 10 games. I might be sold on Herman if the other 4 won national titles.
Leading Houston to a large number of wins is nice, but let's also remember the 12 game season has only been around for about 15 years. Not a lot of time to accumulate 11 win seasons...even Herman couldn't go undefeated.
One season is potentially a flash in the pan and I would rather not pay $5M for a flash in the pan. I'll obviously feel better about him as a candidate if he repeats the feat next year, but I would rather have someone that has proven they can build or maintain their success for a full recruiting cycle.
Oh, I'm not advocating dropping $5M a year on this cat.
Contract gives him a $5 mil bonus if UHou joins a P5 conf while he is coaching there.
Tony Levine had good talent for a mid-major team. He was just a $#@!ty game day coach. I remember reading an article where Levine said that the UH offense would change according to what the other team's defense was weak against. It showed on gameday that he had no strategy. The team did lots of things on offense but didn't do anything great. The coogs would usually waste the whole first half feeling out the other team. Lot's of come from behind victories. Exciting, but 7-9 wins were gonna be the best he could do.
Tl;dr: Levine had the ingredients, he just couldn't cook worth a damn.
If Herman is the best we can do, then I hope to hell he is the second coming of DKR, but I just don't see enough of a resume to feel any confidence that he would turn us around. Obviously, I am still hoping for a stunning turnaround next year rather than a new coach.
Who would u think would realistically come to UT and be a better hire than Herman?
If Strong isnt fired after we get blown out by Baylor, then he will be fired at the end of a 7 win season next year. Our next coach will more than likely be Herman. I would be also surprised that if Strong indeed gets another year (which he shouldnt, but hey), that there already isnt some agreement already in place with Herman
Those who think he is Strong part deux either dont watch much college football or are too dumb to see what is going to more than likely happen
That said, if/when Herman replaces Strong, I and damn near everyone here, would embrace the $#@! out of him until he gave us a reason not to. And I tend to agree that he seems to be the next in line. Gut feel I guess. As of right now anyway.
Yeah and I think that's the good thing about us staying with Strong next year and Herman staying put for another year. If Strong doesn't win at least 8 games and Herman wins the AAC and another NY6 bowl then I think it's pretty obvious to that Strong needs to be let go and Herman needs to be his replacement.
It also allows for the chance, however remote, that Strong will get it turned around and we don't have to let him go, which is great too.
Best course of action is to stay put for one more year. Firing Strong at the end of the year is just a bad idea.
Last edited by drycreek; 12-04-2015 at 04:43 PM.
and the mighty Coogs get the best bowl game of any Texas team, Fiesta yes? Maybe Iowa/MichSt loser?
Herman will receive a $5 million bonus if, at any time while he's head coach, UH becomes a member of a conference with annual television revenue of more than $20 million per member, according to a source familiar with the details of the contract who was not authorized to speak publicly.
down the road if a big program comes calling, does herman ask for a 5mil signing bonus ? I would
He's from the GDGD coaching tree.
From the Wiki article:
Early coaching career
Herman began his coaching career in 1998 at Texas Lutheran University as a receivers coach. He then took a position in 1999 at the University of Texas in Austin as a graduate assistant under the mentorship of Greg Davis. During his tenure at Texas, Herman worked with the offensive line, which produced two All-Americans.
U of H student tickets sold out in under hour. should have a good crowd in ATL
Him staying at Houston and us keeping Charlie actually worked out pretty perfectly, we'll have an extra year of data on both next year, and our team in 2017 will likely be better than next years team. If we have to replace charlie it would be nice if the new coach had a good first roster like Sumlin did to help boost recruiting.
So which BOR or booster is back-channeling with Herman or his agent? They must think they can get him if they could only run Charlie out of town.
Tom Herman isn't ignorant...when a school $#@!s over one HC, there is no reason for them not to $#@! over the next one.
I find it so hard to believe that we have people actively working against Strong hiring the OC of his choice after only his second season at Texas. Holy $#@!.
IT must be reading this thread. Pretty good free read...
Nugget regarding Herman...
Where we go from here
Let me count the ways. We have Spring ball, an offense that is quarterback friendly and should generate points to benefit a young hungry defense perhaps not at the level of $#@!bie but a system implemented for a spring, summer and fall can’t hurt. Also, you have recruiting which should be invigorated. And despite last week, it seems to be trending well if you’ve been reading our site. Also, the lack of talent in the 2016 class won’t hurt Texas next season, so we have that going for us, which is nice.
The bottom line is, however, if none of the above works, Herman will crawl on broken glass to Austin to be the University of Texas head football coach. It’s his dream job and he should kill it here. My guess is that you’ll see a full court press this time next season that wasn’t seen last week for $#@!bie if Strong stumbles to seven or eight wins in 2016. Alternatively, nine wins in 2016 for Strong probably means no Herman and everyone gets that.
If Charlie can manage 7 or 8 wins--which would include a win over OU, some excitement on offense, and no embarrassing performances (e.g., losing to Iowa State)--then I think Herman may have to wait. Maybe the last two years have battered my expectations for the Longhorns, or I'm underestimating how much the Texas power players want Charlie out of here.
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