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    Quote Originally Posted by $#@! West Virginia View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schulz View Post
    Herman's apparently ripping off Strong's core values.

    OK.....so in practice, day 1, we should be good.

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    I"m not sure what big name would want part of this right now. I think Charlie was not the big name we were after but he had the pedigree to think he was next to a sure thing as an up and comer. Herman has even less of a resume. Chip Kelly is the only "big name" I could see as a possibility. Would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharlieBong View Post
    Charlie has a better pedigree and more experience than any option out there imo, so if you want to make a change you better pick right or else you are just hurting this program more. $#@! this $#@!, $#@! Mack, $#@! Charlie for not cleaning the $#@! up even if thats not reasonable, and $#@! me for eating that turkey salad sandwiches in the am.
    If Randy Shannon doesn't get fired from Miami than Charlie is probably still coaching at Louisville or already fired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharlieBong View Post
    That sounds so pathetic.
    lol, wut/why?

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    Firing Charlie this year only to replace him with Tom $#@!ing Herman is possibly the worst idea I've read on the shag. And that's saying something. I'm fully on the Charlie ain't the guy wagon, but Tom Herman with his half a year head coaching experience at a borderline D2 school is all kinds of regarded. Talk about as unsure a thing as we could find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Landomatic View Post
    Firing Charlie this year only to replace him with Tom $#@!ing Herman is possibly the worst idea I've read on the shag. And that's saying something. I'm fully on the Charlie ain't the guy wagon, but Tom Herman with his half a year head coaching experience at a borderline D2 school is all kinds of regarded. Talk about as unsure a thing as we could find.

    Lol he's at a school that has produced multiple head coaches. His team is undefeated and should be a top 10 team. He has Texas roots. He knows how to coach offense. He can be had at the end of the season for a fraction of the price of Strong.

    If we don't go for him, both USC's, Mizzou, and every other program in the nation with a head coaching vacancy surely will. He is arguably the hottest coach in the nation, and there is a good reason for that.

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    I think that Herman will stay at Houston for at least one more year. Maybe longer if it looks like they can get a Big 12 invite. Regardless, given the entitlement culture that was at UT, it seems like a bad idea to not give Strong a third year and then, if major progress doesn't happen go get Herman or whoever else is hot. If you can get Kelly this year, then maybe cutting bait with Strong is justifiable.

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    Maybe we should wait until Herman actually beats someone of note before we crown his ass.

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    Nah, half of this board wants him tomorrow for winning eight games with a team he neither recruited nor developed. Seems reasonable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catdaddyhorn View Post
    Maybe we should wait until Herman actually beats someone of note before we crown his ass.

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    In for the LOLs.

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    Number of games won when other team scores first.

    Today: Herman - 1
    2 years: Strong - 0

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fastbreak View Post
    Number of games won when other team scores first.

    Today: Herman - 1
    2 years: Strong - 0
    To be fair that is probably true for 20 or so coaches just this week.

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    Now that is a well coached team

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    Quote Originally Posted by $#@! West Virginia View Post
    You have to fire Charlie immediately after Baylor

    Herman will be gone to anther school next year. And yes, he is the real deal. Not just because his team is undefeated and he is another "shiny, new object," but because of the culture he has cultivated at U of H and the mentality he brings to the table (seriously, read some of the stuff he is doing at Houston, its pretty impressive). We absolutely cannot miss this opportunity this year. Keeping strong for another season would guarantee we end up with someone like Hugh Freeze or Dan Mullen
    Greenspoint...we get it.

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    Herman coaches in the same conference Charlie coached in, ya know, the conference y'all argued skewed Charlie's W/L numbers because it was weak. Actually the conference now is weaker than when Charlie coached in it.

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    I might be incorrect, but Charlie never
    Ended a year undefeated

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    I've been a big supporter of Strong throughout, and I still am. That being said, my initial thoughts were "He's going to turn this thing around with hard work and discipline." And 2 years later, I find myself wondering if he can get the job done.
    Honestly, it wouldn't be fair to fire him after this season. Look at the recruits we have coming in the next couple years. Our biggest ?'s have been around the QB position since Colt left. He's got 2 solid QBs set to come in. They essentially had to rebuild the o-line through recruiting, and they're doing fairly well, imo.

    You don't want to get in the business of hiring and firing coaches. It makes recruiting impossible, fan support goes down, you lose all stability. Why waste all that on a guy that is incredibly unproven as a HC in Herman?
    Say UT does go after him, and he underperforms with Charlies players. Naturally, people are going to want to give him his due time to get his players in, just as any normal fan would. And after 2-3 years of mediocrity, and no real difference in the culture of the program and the perfomance, he will be next to go. It's a sliipery slope. If I was the AD, the only way I'd get rid of Strong is if a marquee coach was available.

    I think a lot of their problem on offense is their staff inconsistency. We have no legit OC, and are struggling heavily because of it. Would be nice if we had someone to make the offense HIS offense. If you can't get a Chip Kelly, keep Strong and pay Rich Rodriguez any amount of money he wants to be your OC. You'll see how quicky UT becomes an offensive juggernaut with Heard at QB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xian View Post
    I might be incorrect, but Charlie never
    Ended a year undefeated
    Yeah just a BCS win....

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    Quote Originally Posted by UT fan in WV View Post
    I've been a big supporter of Strong throughout, and I still am. That being said, my initial thoughts were "He's going to turn this thing around with hard work and discipline." And 2 years later, I find myself wondering if he can get the job done.
    Honestly, it wouldn't be fair to fire him after this season. Look at the recruits we have coming in the next couple years. Our biggest ?'s have been around the QB position since Colt left. He's got 2 solid QBs set to come in. They essentially had to rebuild the o-line through recruiting, and they're doing fairly well, imo.

    You don't want to get in the business of hiring and firing coaches. It makes recruiting impossible, fan support goes down, you lose all stability. Why waste all that on a guy that is incredibly unproven as a HC in Herman?
    Say UT does go after him, and he underperforms with Charlies players. Naturally, people are going to want to give him his due time to get his players in, just as any normal fan would. And after 2-3 years of mediocrity, and no real difference in the culture of the program and the perfomance, he will be next to go. It's a sliipery slope. If I was the AD, the only way I'd get rid of Strong is if a marquee coach was available.

    I think a lot of their problem on offense is their staff inconsistency. We have no legit OC, and are struggling heavily because of it. Would be nice if we had someone to make the offense HIS offense. If you can't get a Chip Kelly, keep Strong and pay Rich Rodriguez any amount of money he wants to be your OC. You'll see how quicky UT becomes an offensive juggernaut with Heard at QB.
    Well reasoned, but what makes you think Strong will be able to bring in a great OC in a year where UT looks like a sinking ship? This OC will have exactly one offseason and 0 recruiting classes to implement an offense that doubles our win total this year or run the risk of being canned with the rest of the staff. Also, what makes you confident that Strong, if able, will make the correct offensive hire after the Watson hire?

    If we are hoping (praying) to have an OC come in and save our HC's skin in year 3/4, is he really the right guy to begin with? And if he's not, why waste another year on 6-6 core values?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foosters Galore View Post
    Nah, half of this board wants him tomorrow for winning eight games with a team he neither recruited nor developed. Seems reasonable.
    Good thing he can utilize Charlie's '15 & '16 classes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xian View Post
    I might be incorrect, but Charlie never
    Ended a year undefeated
    I might be incorrect, but Herman never
    Ended a year as a head coach at all

    Some of you guys need to get out of your parent's basement more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BurntOrange&White View Post
    Yeah just a BCS win....
    Are we supposed to be impressed by a win over a Muschamp-led Florida?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SubliminalHorn View Post
    Are we supposed to be impressed by a win over a Muschamp-led Florida?
    Better than any win Herman has ever had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BurntOrange&White View Post
    Yeah just a BCS win....
    Quote Originally Posted by SubliminalHorn View Post
    Are we supposed to be impressed by a win over a Muschamp-led Florida?
    If you beat an SEC team in a BCS bowl, it counts as 2 wins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad_teammate View Post
    Better than any win Herman has ever had.
    Not arguing that. I just don't see what's so awesome about beating an overrated florida team coached by will muschamp. Charlie seems to get fluke wins every now and then, i.e. Oklahoma 2015

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    Quote Originally Posted by SubliminalHorn View Post
    Not arguing that. I just don't see what's so awesome about beating an overrated florida team coached by will muschamp. Charlie seems to get fluke wins every now and then, i.e. Oklahoma 2015
    That's not the point. The point is that Charlie needs to go and people on here actually want to replace him with someone with MUCH less of a resume. If Charlie's BCS win doesn't impress you, nothing Tom Herman has ever done should even count for discussion.

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    Tom Herman is intriguing to me, that's it. If he's the only option available at the end of the year, I guess we keep Charlie "Blowout" Strong

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    Well reasoned, but what makes you think Strong will be able to bring in a great OC in a year where UT looks like a sinking ship? This OC will have exactly one offseason and 0 recruiting classes to implement an offense that doubles our win total this year or run the risk of being canned with the rest of the staff. Also, what makes you confident that Strong, if able, will make the correct offensive hire after the Watson hire?

    If we are hoping (praying) to have an OC come in and save our HC's skin in year 3/4, is he really the right guy to begin with? And if he's not, why waste another year on 6-6 core values?
    I 100% agree with you about the risk of jumping in to the OC role with a possibility of being gone after 1 season. UT is just a bit different than most cases because they seem to change their offensive style every season, for whatever reason. They go spread, pro style, spread, west coast, spread, it's just a mess. Everyone knows Charlie is a defensive coach. I honestly don't know who determines what offense to use as far as the staff is concerned. Could be strong, could be Watson, could be Wickline, who knows? I think the biggest difference between Strong and the rest of the Big 12 coaches is he is a defensive guy, and they're all offensive guys. They don't need help with their offenses, but their defenses look pathetic. If our offense was as good as it could be, our defensive efficiency would skyrocket. Charlie needs help on offense just like the rest of these guys need help on defense. Rich Rod would be my dream hire, but the likelihood of that is probably less than 0%. But again, it all depends on what style they want to go with. If you want a pro style, Rich Rod isn't your guy. If you want a spread that features a lot of QB runs, Rich Rod is 1000000000% your guy.

    And to your 2nd question: No one knows if Strong is the right guy. But no one knows if Herman is the right guy, or any other coach out there. As much as I've been frustrated by the play of the Horns, I know that the guys playing for the team are giving everything they have for their coach, because they love him just as he loves them. I know when a player is hurt, Charlie is the 1st one out there every time. I see those things, and it makes me want so badly for him to have success.

    I'd rather have 6-6 with Strong than 7-5 with Herman. If we're not going to be CFP contenders, at least get a guy that will do things the right way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UT fan in WV View Post
    If we're not going to be CFP contenders, at least get a guy that will do things the right way.
    We should just set up a weekly game with Rice from now on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murfdogg21 View Post
    We should just set up a weekly game with Rice from now on.
    Let's fill our nonconference schedule with sun belt and southern conference teams to get ourselves to 9 wins and whoop when we speak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Landomatic View Post
    That's not the point. The point is that Charlie needs to go and people on here actually want to replace him with someone with MUCH less of a resume. If Charlie's BCS win doesn't impress you, nothing Tom Herman has ever done should even count for discussion.
    You're over playing the "Herman's an unknown" thing a bit. There's a reason his name is already coming up in the discussion for every open job out there. He's a good coach. It's pretty obvious that Ohio State's offense and QBs in particular have seen a drop off in performance since he left. Likewise, he's done tremendously well at UH in year one and done really well at coaching his QBs, to the point where his back up can come in against the best team they've played all year and ball out and lead the team to a 21 point comeback victory. The guy's a great coach, it's pretty obvious. Is he the next Saban/Meyer, who the hell knows, probably not; but he's damn good, especially with QBs and that's no small thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UT fan in WV View Post
    Rich Rod would be my dream hire
    For the love of god why? Have you not been paying attention? He sucks.

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    What do the student trainers look like at UH?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drycreek View Post
    You're over playing the "Herman's an unknown" thing a bit. There's a reason his name is already coming up in the discussion for every open job out there. He's a good coach. It's pretty obvious that Ohio State's offense and QBs in particular have seen a drop off in performance since he left. Likewise, he's done tremendously well at UH in year one and done really well at coaching his QBs, to the point where his back up can come in against the best team they've played all year and ball out and lead the team to a 21 point comeback victory. The guy's a great coach, it's pretty obvious. Is he the next Saban/Meyer, who the hell knows, probably not; but he's damn good, especially with QBs and that's no small thing.
    I agree with most of that (although I don't think many people outside of Texas are seriously "discussing him for every open job out there"). I think he's showing to be a really good coach. But through not even one year of proof, if he makes a move, it's likely to a mid-major P5 lower tier type of team, not a top tier program like Texas. I just don't see it and it really doesn't ever happen that I can think of. Gus Malzahn did it at Auburn I guess, but he'd been at Auburn as an OC already for 3 years before his one year elsewhere as a head coach.

    This is mostly driven by the fact that a lot of guys on here are near the Houston area so that's most of the exposure they get and don't know there's a whole real world thing out there called reality. Combined with all they see is aggy and baylor being all shiny and new right now with their UH coaches so they think we need to go that route. But even aggy and baylor weren't dumb enough to take their guy after only one year.

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    I'm not sure why Tom Herman would stay at UH past this season. He walked into a good situation at UH (middle tier team in AAC that had a couple of quality wins in 2014 and a balanced schedule) and was able to improve UH even further. At this point, it wouldn't be a shock to see the Cougars go undefeated.

    His name has already been linked to South Carolina and in this day of college football, Tom Herman is seen as lightning in a bottle. Whether he'll be good as a head coach in a P5 conference remains to be seen, but some school is going to take a risk on him. That team won't be Texas any time soon. For better or for worse, we're with Strong and we can only hope he begins steering the ship in the right direction next season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhatTheBuck View Post
    For the love of god why? Have you not been paying attention? He sucks.
    I've watched him since his 1st year at WVU. I've seen him do a lot with very little. I watched him turn a bottom tier program into a national contender with his offense, that just so happens to feature a QB that couldn't pass and a stable of running backs. He's a winner. We need more of those.

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    Herman is the guy you take a chance on if you're going to take a chance on anyone. He's a great offensive mind which is needed in the BIG12 and he's already familiar with the recruiting landscape of Texas. Does anyone really think he couldn't take over our offense right now and vastly improve it? He would be a success here.

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    For me its Chip Kelly > Herman > Charlie

    If theres a chance to get Kelly, we should be throwing every cent we have to get him here. I want the proven guy. Im not down for taking any more chances on unproven up and comers. Herman might be great, but id rather have someone come in who has shown he has a proven winning system in the top conferences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gurrry View Post
    For me its Chip Kelly > Herman > Charlie

    If theres a chance to get Kelly, we should be throwing every cent we have to get him here. I want the proven guy. Im not down for taking any more chances on unproven up and comers. Herman might be great, but id rather have someone come in who has shown he has a proven winning system in the top conferences.
    Do you think that Chip would come here for less than half of what we're paying for the buyout of our last 2 coaches? Because that's the only way we could afford him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fastbreak View Post
    In for the LOLs.
    Exactly. Just stopped by to make sure it's a total disaster here.

    Carry on.

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    Apparently Herman and the new AD aren't seeing eye to eye on some things which is making it more likely he'll jump after this year. USCe is the leader in the clubhouse atm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murfdogg21 View Post
    We should just set up a weekly game with Rice from now on.
    that game was a struggle where Rice outgained UT and if not for several Owl turnovers, should have won the game.
    UT should instead schedule OU every week @Dallas. No home or road games ever again and no need to be part of any conference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spankytoes View Post
    Do you think that Chip would come here for less than half of what we're paying for the buyout of our last 2 coaches? Because that's the only way we could afford him.
    Im positive that we can afford him regardless of what the payouts are on other coaches. Tell one of the BMD's that were going after Chip and im sure their wallets will open up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enchubben View Post
    Well reasoned, but what makes you think Strong will be able to bring in a great OC in a year where UT looks like a sinking ship? This OC will have exactly one offseason and 0 recruiting classes to implement an offense that doubles our win total this year or run the risk of being canned with the rest of the staff. Also, what makes you confident that Strong, if able, will make the correct offensive hire after the Watson hire?

    If we are hoping (praying) to have an OC come in and save our HC's skin in year 3/4, is he really the right guy to begin with? And if he's not, why waste another year on 6-6 core values?
    Good God, the things Tom Herman could do with our offense give me the kind of pripapism they warn you about in Viagra commercials.

    It's not really like we have much to lose at this point. 4-8 is not much better than 0-12, quite frankly.

    However, because we're the Joneses and all that, we'll probably just hire some retread at OC who knows he is only staying here a year, in all likelihood. Think of it as being not unlike the situation where Mack brought in Greg Robinson a few years ago, only I'm not 100% convinced that we will get someone the caliber of Robinson on offense.

    Sigh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spankytoes View Post
    Do you think that Chip would come here for less than half of what we're paying for the buyout of our last 2 coaches? Because that's the only way we could afford him.
    So, now all of the sudden budget is an issue for us? After signing the biggest deal in the history of deals with Nike? Yeah that makes sense.

    In fairness, Chip makes $7M per year right now coaching in the NFL so it will likely take the Eagles cutting him lose for poor performance to go in a different direction to get him. We're not wooing him away with brinks trucks unless he's just sick and tired of dealing with NFL bull$#@! and wants back into the college game.

    Either way, being able to "afford him" won't be the issue.

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    The more and more I learn about Herman, the more I like him. Of all the coaches in the mid majors that will be taking new jobs in the future, he is the one that I want to get. You cannot compare the same parallels between Strong and Herman because they are completely different though the circumstances may look eerily similar. Herman is about rebuilding EVERYTHING about Houston right now. Changing perceptions about the school, cleaning it up. Hell, he might even be the guy mowing the practice field grass (if they have one). I don't doubt that Charlie works his ass off but Herman works his ass off in a different way. Might be more of a work smarter than work harder type. And and it looks like he is a very sharp X's and O's coach. Charlie might be really good about getting the ingredients to the kitchen but he has no clue about how to cook it. Herman could get the ingredients for you (we haven't seen his full track record of getting recruits but it appears that he is doing a great job so far), he will cook the hell out of the meal, and he will clean up the kitchen for you as well. I think he is only 41 years old (correct me if I am wrong) and he has additional upside coaching wise and long term career trajectory.

    I honestly don't know what will happen with Charlie but if Herman is willing to wait (and doesn't $#@! the bed in the meantime) and doesn't jump to the first decent Power 5 school that goes after him he could be in line with what we want if Charlie can't turn it around. Beyond won/loss records at Houston because he can't win them all, as long as they show that they have a specific plan in place, create buzz within the community, player development (you are kidding me if you think Ward is some sort of stud but they have turned him into a reliable and valuable QB for them), and keep it clean, no way do we not jump at him if he is still there.

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