Going to the Houston/Memphis game tonight to watch real coaching
Going to the Houston/Memphis game tonight to watch real coaching
I"m not sure what big name would want part of this right now. I think Charlie was not the big name we were after but he had the pedigree to think he was next to a sure thing as an up and comer. Herman has even less of a resume. Chip Kelly is the only "big name" I could see as a possibility. Would.
Firing Charlie this year only to replace him with Tom $#@!ing Herman is possibly the worst idea I've read on the shag. And that's saying something. I'm fully on the Charlie ain't the guy wagon, but Tom Herman with his half a year head coaching experience at a borderline D2 school is all kinds of regarded. Talk about as unsure a thing as we could find.
Lol he's at a school that has produced multiple head coaches. His team is undefeated and should be a top 10 team. He has Texas roots. He knows how to coach offense. He can be had at the end of the season for a fraction of the price of Strong.
If we don't go for him, both USC's, Mizzou, and every other program in the nation with a head coaching vacancy surely will. He is arguably the hottest coach in the nation, and there is a good reason for that.
I think that Herman will stay at Houston for at least one more year. Maybe longer if it looks like they can get a Big 12 invite. Regardless, given the entitlement culture that was at UT, it seems like a bad idea to not give Strong a third year and then, if major progress doesn't happen go get Herman or whoever else is hot. If you can get Kelly this year, then maybe cutting bait with Strong is justifiable.
Maybe we should wait until Herman actually beats someone of note before we crown his ass.
Nah, half of this board wants him tomorrow for winning eight games with a team he neither recruited nor developed. Seems reasonable.
Number of games won when other team scores first.
Today: Herman - 1
2 years: Strong - 0
Herman coaches in the same conference Charlie coached in, ya know, the conference y'all argued skewed Charlie's W/L numbers because it was weak. Actually the conference now is weaker than when Charlie coached in it.
I might be incorrect, but Charlie never
Ended a year undefeated
I've been a big supporter of Strong throughout, and I still am. That being said, my initial thoughts were "He's going to turn this thing around with hard work and discipline." And 2 years later, I find myself wondering if he can get the job done.
Honestly, it wouldn't be fair to fire him after this season. Look at the recruits we have coming in the next couple years. Our biggest ?'s have been around the QB position since Colt left. He's got 2 solid QBs set to come in. They essentially had to rebuild the o-line through recruiting, and they're doing fairly well, imo.
You don't want to get in the business of hiring and firing coaches. It makes recruiting impossible, fan support goes down, you lose all stability. Why waste all that on a guy that is incredibly unproven as a HC in Herman?
Say UT does go after him, and he underperforms with Charlies players. Naturally, people are going to want to give him his due time to get his players in, just as any normal fan would. And after 2-3 years of mediocrity, and no real difference in the culture of the program and the perfomance, he will be next to go. It's a sliipery slope. If I was the AD, the only way I'd get rid of Strong is if a marquee coach was available.
I think a lot of their problem on offense is their staff inconsistency. We have no legit OC, and are struggling heavily because of it. Would be nice if we had someone to make the offense HIS offense. If you can't get a Chip Kelly, keep Strong and pay Rich Rodriguez any amount of money he wants to be your OC. You'll see how quicky UT becomes an offensive juggernaut with Heard at QB.
If we are hoping (praying) to have an OC come in and save our HC's skin in year 3/4, is he really the right guy to begin with? And if he's not, why waste another year on 6-6 core values?
Tom Herman is intriguing to me, that's it. If he's the only option available at the end of the year, I guess we keep Charlie "Blowout" Strong
And to your 2nd question: No one knows if Strong is the right guy. But no one knows if Herman is the right guy, or any other coach out there. As much as I've been frustrated by the play of the Horns, I know that the guys playing for the team are giving everything they have for their coach, because they love him just as he loves them. I know when a player is hurt, Charlie is the 1st one out there every time. I see those things, and it makes me want so badly for him to have success.
I'd rather have 6-6 with Strong than 7-5 with Herman. If we're not going to be CFP contenders, at least get a guy that will do things the right way.
This is mostly driven by the fact that a lot of guys on here are near the Houston area so that's most of the exposure they get and don't know there's a whole real world thing out there called reality. Combined with all they see is aggy and baylor being all shiny and new right now with their UH coaches so they think we need to go that route. But even aggy and baylor weren't dumb enough to take their guy after only one year.
I'm not sure why Tom Herman would stay at UH past this season. He walked into a good situation at UH (middle tier team in AAC that had a couple of quality wins in 2014 and a balanced schedule) and was able to improve UH even further. At this point, it wouldn't be a shock to see the Cougars go undefeated.
His name has already been linked to South Carolina and in this day of college football, Tom Herman is seen as lightning in a bottle. Whether he'll be good as a head coach in a P5 conference remains to be seen, but some school is going to take a risk on him. That team won't be Texas any time soon. For better or for worse, we're with Strong and we can only hope he begins steering the ship in the right direction next season.
Herman is the guy you take a chance on if you're going to take a chance on anyone. He's a great offensive mind which is needed in the BIG12 and he's already familiar with the recruiting landscape of Texas. Does anyone really think he couldn't take over our offense right now and vastly improve it? He would be a success here.
For me its Chip Kelly > Herman > Charlie
If theres a chance to get Kelly, we should be throwing every cent we have to get him here. I want the proven guy. Im not down for taking any more chances on unproven up and comers. Herman might be great, but id rather have someone come in who has shown he has a proven winning system in the top conferences.
Apparently Herman and the new AD aren't seeing eye to eye on some things which is making it more likely he'll jump after this year. USCe is the leader in the clubhouse atm.
Chris Petersen - 2006
Larry Coker - 2001
George Woodruff - 1892
Walter Camp - 1888
Only NCAA coaches to start a career 10-0.
It's not really like we have much to lose at this point. 4-8 is not much better than 0-12, quite frankly.
However, because we're the Joneses and all that, we'll probably just hire some retread at OC who knows he is only staying here a year, in all likelihood. Think of it as being not unlike the situation where Mack brought in Greg Robinson a few years ago, only I'm not 100% convinced that we will get someone the caliber of Robinson on offense.
In fairness, Chip makes $7M per year right now coaching in the NFL so it will likely take the Eagles cutting him lose for poor performance to go in a different direction to get him. We're not wooing him away with brinks trucks unless he's just sick and tired of dealing with NFL bull$#@! and wants back into the college game.
Either way, being able to "afford him" won't be the issue.
The more and more I learn about Herman, the more I like him. Of all the coaches in the mid majors that will be taking new jobs in the future, he is the one that I want to get. You cannot compare the same parallels between Strong and Herman because they are completely different though the circumstances may look eerily similar. Herman is about rebuilding EVERYTHING about Houston right now. Changing perceptions about the school, cleaning it up. Hell, he might even be the guy mowing the practice field grass (if they have one). I don't doubt that Charlie works his ass off but Herman works his ass off in a different way. Might be more of a work smarter than work harder type. And and it looks like he is a very sharp X's and O's coach. Charlie might be really good about getting the ingredients to the kitchen but he has no clue about how to cook it. Herman could get the ingredients for you (we haven't seen his full track record of getting recruits but it appears that he is doing a great job so far), he will cook the hell out of the meal, and he will clean up the kitchen for you as well. I think he is only 41 years old (correct me if I am wrong) and he has additional upside coaching wise and long term career trajectory.
I honestly don't know what will happen with Charlie but if Herman is willing to wait (and doesn't $#@! the bed in the meantime) and doesn't jump to the first decent Power 5 school that goes after him he could be in line with what we want if Charlie can't turn it around. Beyond won/loss records at Houston because he can't win them all, as long as they show that they have a specific plan in place, create buzz within the community, player development (you are kidding me if you think Ward is some sort of stud but they have turned him into a reliable and valuable QB for them), and keep it clean, no way do we not jump at him if he is still there.
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