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    Quote Originally Posted by ulukinatme View Post
    Yeah, give them an easier path to the playoff, that'll show 'em!
    If they like their ooc, they can keep their ooc

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    Quote Originally Posted by loco View Post
    If they like their ooc, they can keep their ooc
    At least they leave their state

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    The SEC bias is real and anyone doubting that is being naive.

    SEC teams make up 30% of the top 20. 30%.
    Outside a very few quality OOC opponents (LSU usually not scared) they play worse than no one because they have to play so many "highly ranked" teams in conference. They are highly ranked because of the bias and it self perpetuates.

    There is very little data to use as a metric for gauging whether or not those inflated ranking are deserved vs anyone outside the SEC until we get to the bowl games where there's also matchup manipulation. Then they $#@! the bed collectively yet are given a pass for the most part because "a let down was inevitable when SEC team xx really should have been playing in a higher bowl but got screwed."

    The only one getting screwed are 114 teams not in the SEC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikki32 View Post
    Maybe...just maybe...the pre-season rankings of teams are $#@!. There are a lot of teams that aren't considered "bowl" worthy pre-season that suddenly prove their merits during the regular actual season and win and then..."Sorry you undefeated team or you weird team that wasn't ranked prior to the season even though you came out of nowhere and are winning...you just don't measure up to pre-season ranks. We can't let you be in the playoffs." This bs sucks.

    Like Georgia every single $#@!ing year in the top 10. No SEC bias there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by relapse98 View Post
    But since the season hasn't ended and there's still plenty of football left to play, I wouldn't start worrying about things yet.
    Yeah, but that is aggy logic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FCHorn View Post
    At least they leave their state
    Harder to score Flacca & PEDs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonkr15 View Post
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    Deal, pay me the dollar. I'll fork over $1000 to Blacklab if you win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loco View Post
    Harder to score Flacca & PEDs
    But you have bath salts and Miami

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBB View Post
    The SEC bias is real and anyone doubting that is being naive.

    SEC teams make up 30% of the top 20. 30%.
    Outside a very few quality OOC opponents (LSU usually not scared) they play worse than no one because they have to play so many "highly ranked" teams in conference. They are highly ranked because of the bias and it self perpetuates.

    There is very little data to use as a metric for gauging whether or not those inflated ranking are deserved vs anyone outside the SEC until we get to the bowl games where there's also matchup manipulation. Then they $#@! the bed collectively yet are given a pass for the most part because "a let down was inevitable when SEC team xx really should have been playing in a higher bowl but got screwed."

    The only one getting screwed are 114 teams not in the SEC.
    Cannot.

    Agree.

    More.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikki32 View Post
    If the Fighting Beathards manage to beat Ohio State (assuming both are in their conference champs which apparently the Big 10/12 thinks is $#@!ty I guess) then go Hawkeyes!
    I don't know whose $#@! Ferentz had to to suck to avoid both Michigan teams and Ohio State on his schedule, but good on him I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBB View Post
    The SEC bias is real and anyone doubting that is being naive.

    SEC teams make up 30% of the top 20. 30%.
    Outside a very few quality OOC opponents (LSU usually not scared) they play worse than no one because they have to play so many "highly ranked" teams in conference. They are highly ranked because of the bias and it self perpetuates.

    There is very little data to use as a metric for gauging whether or not those inflated ranking are deserved vs anyone outside the SEC until we get to the bowl games where there's also matchup manipulation. Then they $#@! the bed collectively yet are given a pass for the most part because "a let down was inevitable when SEC team xx really should have been playing in a higher bowl but got screwed."

    The only one getting screwed are 114 teams not in the SEC.
    You would think some of the embarrassing loses (and there have been a lot this year) the SEC has taken would affect the SOS with teams in the conference. It seems to have done the exact opposite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Planet Houston View Post
    So much movement is going to happen that this won't matter at the end of the day, but it is $#@!ing hilarious. I would be pissed as a Florida fan.
    It doesn't $#@!ing matter that it will sort out. What matters is that the committee is capable of making unjustifiable selections like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikki32 View Post
    Muther of $#@!.
    Potty mouth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teamdirtyleg View Post
    It doesn't $#@!ing matter that it will sort out. What matters is that the committee is capable of making unjustifiable selections like this.
    Yup. Kinda like last year when they had TCU ahead of Baylor until the last rankings, then flipped them. The only reason they gave was the Baylor beat TCU, which happened during week 5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikki32 View Post
    Yep. If the damn corporations would agree to still having bowl games and just let...Jesus what a concept...teams that win their conferences battle it out just like the NFL does with divisions. You can still have your chikfila poinsettia bowl with beef o'brady on the side for the non-conference winners. Muther of $#@!.
    Been calling for that for years. P5 becomes P4, separates from the G5, have 4 16 team super conferences. You play the 7 other teams in your division, 1 permanent and 1 rotating from other division, 1 team each from the other 3 super conferences. Winner of each division plays in super CCG(acts as first round of 8 team playoff). Winners advance to semi-finals. Keep the top 6 bowls for the CCGs runners up and 1 more teams from each division. Those three teams then get matched up with their counterparts from each of the other conferences. SEC 2 vs ACC 2, B10 2 vs P12 2, SEC 3 vs B10 3, ACC 3 vs P12 3, SEC 4 vs P12 4, B10 4 vs ACC 4. Rotate each year. Then other teams play in mid to lower bowls. If the group of 5 wants, they can have their own playoff or they can play in those mid to lower bowls.

    Would be a ratings bonanza for CFB and we would have a ton of great games every week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBB View Post
    The SEC bias is real and anyone doubting that is being naive.

    SEC teams make up 30% of the top 20. 30%.
    Outside a very few quality OOC opponents (LSU usually not scared) they play worse than no one because they have to play so many "highly ranked" teams in conference. They are highly ranked because of the bias and it self perpetuates.

    There is very little data to use as a metric for gauging whether or not those inflated ranking are deserved vs anyone outside the SEC until we get to the bowl games where there's also matchup manipulation. Then they $#@! the bed collectively yet are given a pass for the most part because "a let down was inevitable when SEC team xx really should have been playing in a higher bowl but got screwed."

    The only one getting screwed are 114 teams not in the SEC.
    In preseason you are right.

    And again this is preseason. We saw what happened last year. A playoff crushed them.

    Who gives a damn about the 1st ranking, really?

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    Alabama's opponents are 31-29 in non-FCS games. Their opponent's opponents are 107-146. Giving them an aggregate SOS of 0.485, as I stated earlier, their schedule this year is $#@!.

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    Y'all do know that the top 4 is always and always will be...

    1) biggest name in the best conference with the best record
    T2) biggest name in the best conference
    T2) biggest name with the best record
    4) biggest name

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBB View Post
    The SEC bias is real and anyone doubting that is being naive.

    SEC teams make up 30% of the top 20. 30%.
    Outside a very few quality OOC opponents (LSU usually not scared) they play worse than no one because they have to play so many "highly ranked" teams in conference. They are highly ranked because of the bias and it self perpetuates.

    There is very little data to use as a metric for gauging whether or not those inflated ranking are deserved vs anyone outside the SEC until we get to the bowl games where there's also matchup manipulation. Then they $#@! the bed collectively yet are given a pass for the most part because "a let down was inevitable when SEC team xx really should have been playing in a higher bowl but got screwed."

    The only one getting screwed are 114 teams not in the SEC.
    Don't forget 12 of the 14 SEC teams play one fewer conference game than the Big 12. They replace six certain losses with six easy $#@!ing wins against teams like Charleston Southern in November when all the other conferences are playing conference games and knocking each other down in the rankings. Meanwhile, SEC teams open with conference games in Week 1 or 2 when they're both preseason Top 15 so a loss doesn't really hurt. They've really figured out to game the system perfectly. Fortunately now they've got to win two games to win the title and can't rely on LSU-Bama rematches to guarantee a SEC MNC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Landomatic View Post
    Y'all do know that the top 4 is always and always will be...

    1) biggest name in the best conference with the best record
    T2) biggest name in the best conference
    T2) biggest name with the best record
    4) biggest name
    This. And the computers were to solve it. They didn't. Then playoff would fix that. Then we made the playoff too small. Baby steps I guess. Until we get 6 or 8 teams, it's going to be flawed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jester View Post
    This. And the computers were to solve it. They didn't. Then playoff would fix that. Then we made the playoff too small. Baby steps I guess. Until we get 6 or 8 teams, it's going to be flawed.
    Even then, there will be griping about being 7th or 9th. The only way to fix it, is the idea I posted above. Maybe can tweak it a bit and many will say they are turning it into the NFL but it takes it out of voters or computers hands. Most everybody will have pretty similar SOS, not enough difference to make for an outcry. Also, no more junk games for anyone. Also, maybe start the season a week early or let it go a week later, add a second bye for all teams, to make up for losing the "gimme" games.

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    Does anybody think this committee is an improvement over the polls or the bcs? The problem with those was the lack of a tournament. I would rather they just kept the damn bcs and taken the top 4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jester View Post
    This. And the computers were to solve it. They didn't. Then playoff would fix that. Then we made the playoff too small. Baby steps I guess. Until we get 6 or 8 teams, it's going to be flawed.
    8 team playoff using BCS's ranking formula to decide the teams. Quarter final round is played at the home of the higher seed. Rotating New Years bowls for the semi finals. National Championship site selected like Super Bowl venues. IT SHOULDN'T BE ROCKET SCIENCE NCAA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skipper View Post
    If you are using SOS nonsense to put Bama at #4, how are you justifying Ohio State at #3? Who have they beaten?
    They beat Rutgers!

    Seriously, the best they have is a very mediocre Virginia Tech and a Penn St. team with only 2 losses than nobody thinks if worth a top 25 spot. Yet they use the eyeball test to keep Iowa down. Whole thing is a joke. Only good thing that can be said about it is that we would be in good shape when we get good again. They seem to be voting based on the name on the jersey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stilicho View Post
    So we traded the corrupt voting process for the corrupt BCS process for an apparently even more corrupt and egregious "playoff".
    You've got it!

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    My favorite line of the night was Pollack saying "Alabama wins a national championship in recruiting every year" to justify them in the top four.

    Alabama should logically be ranked lower than Florida. If you are basing this in any way on "resumes", I'm not sure what you'd have to smoke to rank Bama five spots ahead of Florida. Bama lost to Ole Miss and their best "quality win" was crushing a clearly overrated Georgia team. Florida beat Ole Miss, beat Georgia by a similar margin, and their only loss is on the road in Baton Rouge by 7.

    Alabama is currently the 3rd best team in the SEC West but is rated 4th in the country. I used to hate the idea of a playoff, but am now a fan of opening it up to 16 just so these retards in the media can't manipulate the results anymore.

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    The conspiracy theories in here are hilarious, but I seriously doubt the committee cares about any of this $#@!. They are honestly trying to pick the best teams. But they are flawed because they are human. So yes, Baylor and TCU are underrated and Alabama and ND are overrated in these rankings. But come on, do you really think the committee members are in there thinking of ways to screw the Big 12? Really?

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    CBS Jerry Palm questions why Baylor is 19 spots ahead of Houston when their resumes are almost identical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBB View Post
    The SEC bias is real and anyone doubting that is being naive.

    SEC teams make up 30% of the top 20. 30%.
    Outside a very few quality OOC opponents (LSU usually not scared) they play worse than no one because they have to play so many "highly ranked" teams in conference. They are highly ranked because of the bias and it self perpetuates.

    There is very little data to use as a metric for gauging whether or not those inflated ranking are deserved vs anyone outside the SEC until we get to the bowl games where there's also matchup manipulation. Then they $#@! the bed collectively yet are given a pass for the most part because "a let down was inevitable when SEC team xx really should have been playing in a higher bowl but got screwed."

    The only one getting screwed are 114 teams not in the SEC.
    I like how FSU and Clempson are not seen as quality OOC... seems totally legit

    Quote Originally Posted by hawkfan View Post

    Alabama should logically be ranked lower than Florida. If you are basing this in any way on "resumes", I'm not sure what you'd have to smoke to rank Bama five spots ahead of Florida. Bama lost to Ole Miss and their best "quality win" was crushing a clearly overrated Georgia team. Florida beat Ole Miss, beat Georgia by a similar margin, and their only loss is on the road in Baton Rouge by 7.
    Maybe it's because Bama has more than 3 O-linemen? I hate Bama, but if they played the Gata on a nuetral field, who would you put your money on this year?

    That being said, based on that criteria I would have TCU #1
    Last edited by loco; 11-04-2015 at 06:52 AM.

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    I remember when Texas use to be in the polls, those were good days...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikki32 View Post
    That is why people no longer care.
    Insert Wat Lady.

    This thread Clearly shows people no longer care.

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    The only real argument at this point is having a 1 loss team in the top 4 over ANY undefeated power 5 conf team. No way to justify that. Arguing undefeateds is arguable though



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    Quote Originally Posted by bullet View Post
    They beat Rutgers!

    Seriously, the best they have is a very mediocre Virginia Tech and a Penn St. team with only 2 losses than nobody thinks if worth a top 25 spot. Yet they use the eyeball test to keep Iowa down. Whole thing is a joke. Only good thing that can be said about it is that we would be in good shape when we get good again. They seem to be voting based on the name on the jersey.
    Buckeyes also have a win over 7-3 Northern Illinois, which is 6-3 this year and 63-16 since 2010.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C-Man View Post
    Buckeyes also have a win over 7-3 Northern Illinois, which is 6-3 this year and 63-16 since 2010.
    Oops. Was typing that just as I was headed out the door to take my son to school. NIU is 6-3 this year.

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    None of this matters. Next week, we'll be arguing about one or two more teams being thrown in the mix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FCHorn View Post
    Based on a computer that favors the SEC....yeah....number 3 in the country...righhhhhttt
    So, the computers are biased too? You need to add a tinfoil hat to your avatar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AggieHikerII View Post
    So, the computers are biased too? You need to add a tinfoil hat to your avatar.
    Because computers program themselves.

    Maybe in aggy land.

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    This seems to prove: WINS AND LOSSES are less important than the obviously corruptible, EYE TEST.

    You throw away the only real objective criteria you have 'who won the game on the field'....and use subjective, personal opinion instead.

  • #239
    Would love for the committee to put an asterisk next to Baylor, and explain that regardless of their record, the highest they will be ranked is #5 until Baylor either wins a major bowl game, or schedules a better OOC schedule.

    TCU is the team really getting boned here. Undefeated and a win over Minnesota. Should be 4 or 5.

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    Anyone who thought this would be legitimate from the day it was proposed is a moron. You had everyone in ESPN saying they are against a playoff UNLESS the media is in charge of selecting the teams. Well they went one further and gave people affiliated with conferences the power.

    So guess what... The most outspoken and powerful conferences have the best representation and brand names get the votes. It's utterly ridiculous to think this wouldn't be just as corrupt as the NCAA itself. Sepp Blatter couldn't formulate a better illusion.

    The test of time will be if they give the same excuses at the end of the year. Last year tcu was dropped multiple spots because each week is independent of the week before. So theoretically if anyone has a bad week but wins they are going to drop out of the rankings. Can't wait to see it happen.

    Bcs formula should be used and the top 4 should be in. I might even just use sagarin or pomeroy though so you have no bias from any pollster. Humans have too much interest in money and prestige to make an unbiased decision on who gets in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AggieHikerII View Post
    So, the computers are biased too? You need to add a tinfoil hat to your avatar.
    Well no but he did pick some random SOS ranking that isn't even based on the RPI formula he was touting previously and also just so happens to be the only SOS ranking in the computer world that has Alabama that high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AggieHikerII View Post
    So, the computers are biased too? You need to add a tinfoil hat to your avatar.
    A few aggies I've talked to this morning are laughing about the Alabama ranking. I understand trying to justify it because "SEC" but if you really believe it's correct you're more retarded than most aggies. And that's saying something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBB View Post
    The SEC bias is real and anyone doubting that is being naive.
    Ranking Reaction: Playoff committee shows SEC reverence

    Yup. It's so $#@!ing blatantly obvious that only a $#@!tard wouldn't admit to it. If TCU wins out and isn't the #1 or #2 team, blow the $#@!ing thing up.

    And later, more on why the "well it's completely meaningless the first week, and only the last one has any relevance" is equally $#@!tarded and completely misses the point why they've chosen to release these rankings weekly starting now. If you don't "get" that, you don't "get" the entire thing.
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    quite an uneasy feeling if Baylor is 5th the last weekend of the year.. Briles will go for 100

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    Quote Originally Posted by C-Man View Post
    Don't forget 12 of the 14 SEC teams play one fewer conference game than the Big 12. They replace six certain losses with six easy $#@!ing wins against teams like Charleston Southern in November when all the other conferences are playing conference games and knocking each other down in the rankings. Meanwhile, SEC teams open with conference games in Week 1 or 2 when they're both preseason Top 15 so a loss doesn't really hurt. They've really figured out to game the system perfectly. Fortunately now they've got to win two games to win the title and can't rely on LSU-Bama rematches to guarantee a SEC MNC.
    Yep, the SEC has a huge advantage simply due to the 8-game schedule and scheduling of November cupcakes.

    I've actually seen numerous threads on Tigerdroppings of SEC fans saying they should go to a 9 conference game schedule, but I know powers that be in the SEC will never make that change unless they are forced to. The deck is stacked in their favor for the end of season rankings (for the BCS and now the CFP).
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhawk View Post
    Bcs formula should be used and the top 4 should be in. I might even just use sagarin or pomeroy though so you have no bias from any pollster. Humans have too much interest in money and prestige to make an unbiased decision on who gets in.
    BCS had issues. Non division champ Nebraska in 2001 lost to Miami. Alabama/LSU rematch.

    And don't look at the current Sagarin ranking. You might not like #1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UTEX_ME View Post
    quite an uneasy feeling if Baylor is 5th the last weekend of the year.. Briles will go for 100
    not a Baylor fan at all, but I'd love to see Briles go scorched earth. Everyone should fear him at this point.

    Then again, he could score 100 every game for the rest of the season and they'd say the big 12 is a bad conference and rank Baylor 7.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhawk View Post
    not a Baylor fan at all, but I'd love to see Briles go scorched earth. Everyone should fear him at this point.
    Gonna have to see what the true freshman making his first start does before we can fear him. He may do great but chances are he makes at least a few freshmen mistakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by relapse98 View Post
    BCS had issues. Non division champ Nebraska in 2001 lost to Miami. Alabama/LSU rematch.

    And don't look at the current Sagarin ranking. You might not like #1.
    Sagarin changed his system and no longer uses any rating set that looks at wins and losses when arriving at his overall rating. At least that's the case if the explanation on his page is correct.

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    Yup. I hate to say it but the only B12 team that has a chance to get in the playoff is OU. They lost early to a brand name. If they win out they're in.

    Committee will use the Eye Test and no CCG to keep Baylor, TCU or Oklahoma State out even at 12-0.


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