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    Do our transfers count towards the scholly limit? I think the one from Arkansas doesn't have to sit out. I know the Tulane one does. Isom is the Arkansas-lr transfer so that's one scholarship you're missing.
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    Do Schwarz and McClurg and Newsome have schollies?

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    Soo who am I forgetting? Horns have a 12 man roster next year and everybody gets a scholly?

    1) 0 Tevin Mack G 6-6 210 FR Columbia, SC
    2) 10 Eric Davis Jr. G 6-2 185 FR Saginaw, MI
    3) 12 Kerwin Roach Jr. G 6-4 170 FR Houston, TX
    4) 25 Joe Schwartz G 6-3 180 SO Waco, TX
    5) 4 Danny Newsome F 6-9 190 JR Houston, TX
    6) 5 Kendal Yancy G 6-3 200 JR Richardson, TX
    7) 30 Ryan McClurg F 6-5 225 JR Katy, TX
    8) 32 Shaquille Cleare F 6-9 265 JR Andros, Bahamas
    9) Jarrett Allen C Signed 93
    10) Andrew Jones SG Signed 89
    11) James Banks C Signed 84
    12) Jacob Young SG
    Chip Brown thinks we are probably going to add another JUCO guy before the fall. Nobody knows who it is though.

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    Mack, Davis, Roach, Yancy, Cleare, Allen, Jones, Banks, Young, Isom, Osetkowski will be the guys on scholarship next year.

    Probably adding another JUCO guy once the fall semester starts. If we're 1 under the scholarship limit, one of the walk ons will probably get the scholarship.

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    Allen and Banks both make the final roster for USA U18.

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    I actually think this team makes some noise. I bet after Christmas they go on a roll through conference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fastbreak View Post
    I actually think this team makes some noise. I bet after Christmas they go on a roll through conference.
    Not so fast my friend. The Big XII will still be very tough, and we are very young and have very little in terms of post scoring. We should be competitive, but I don;t see us just rolling through any stretch of conference play.

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    I don't think that James Banks is going to pan out at Texas.

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    What about the transfer from Arkie Little Rock?

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    Quote Originally Posted by txhorns View Post
    What about the transfer from Arkie Little Rock?
    What about him? Supposed to be a vey good catch-and-shoot stretch 4. Don't think he does much else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derka Derka View Post
    Allen and Banks both make the final roster for USA U18.
    looking over the list and there are 4 top 50 espn guys from 2016 (fultz, allen, huerter and banks) and 8 top 30 espn players from 2017. could be a good chance for coach smart to do a little recruiting in addition to winning a gold medal.

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    Texas will play Northwestern in the Legends Classic from Brooklyn. I assume they'll play the winner of ND and CU after.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derka Derka View Post
    Don't think he does much else.
    Wouldn't need to, either.

    Furk, after the last few years, we need some shooters.

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    Non con schedule being released two minutes from now.

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    Let's talk about the 2016-17 Longhorn basketball team



    A few decent schools on there, but a pretty stark contrast from your typical Rick Barnes schedule. Then again, this is not the year for us to be playing Sparty, Kentucky, Wake, UCLA, Nova, etc in the non con. This young team needs to pile up wins and confidence going into conference play.
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    That non-conference schedule isn't all that difficult. Much easier than past years.

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    Doesn't look like our normal non conference schedule. Plenty of quality wins to be had in conference though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derka Derka View Post


    A few decent schools on there, but a pretty stark contrast from your typical Rick Barnes schedule. Then again, this is not the year for us to be playing Sparty, Kentucky, Wake, UCLA, Nova, etc in the non con. This young team needs to pile up wins and confidence going into conference play.
    Do you really think Barnes was the one actively scheduling teams?

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    I dunno-don't forget, there's Notre Dame in there as well (if we were to beat NOrthwestern in Brooklyn, and I think we should---we'd play the Irish up there on NOv. 22nd).

    So Northwestern, Notre Dame, Michigan, Alabama, Arkansas, and Georgia. Plus some decent mid-majors. That thing isn't as easy as it looks at first glance.

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    Let's talk about the 2016-17 Longhorn basketball team

    Quote Originally Posted by TexasStrong12 View Post
    Do you really think Barnes was the one actively scheduling teams?
    Do you really think he had nothing to do with the schedule? I mean, it's public knowledge that the reason we used to play Sparty every year is because Izzo and Barnes are friends who made it a point to play each other. Same with Roy at UNC.

    But I'm so very very sorry for bringing up Rick Barnes out of absolutely nowhere, just totally out of left field. You know me, always going out of my way to talk about that guy. I mean what are the odds that the guy who coached here for 18 years would ever be genetically brought up in a UT basketball forum?

    Jesus $#@!ing Christ
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCruiser View Post
    I dunno-don't forget, there's Notre Dame in there as well (if we were to beat NOrthwestern in Brooklyn, and I think we should---we'd play the Irish up there on NOv. 22nd).

    So Northwestern, Notre Dame, Michigan, Alabama, Arkansas, and Georgia. Plus some decent mid-majors. That thing isn't as easy as it looks at first glance.
    It's a helluva lot easier than the schedules we've typically played in the past.

    (Made sure not to factually and accurately refer to past schedules as those played under Barnes, wouldn't want to piss everyone off)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derka Derka View Post
    Do yourself think he had nothing to do with the schedule?
    I think he had input, but no I don't think he was individually scheduling teams. Neither is Shaka. I think Shaka had input about not wanting to play overseas again, but I don't think he's making decisions on individual games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCruiser View Post
    I dunno-don't forget, there's Notre Dame in there as well (if we were to beat NOrthwestern in Brooklyn, and I think we should---we'd play the Irish up there on NOv. 22nd).

    So Northwestern, Notre Dame, Michigan, Alabama, Arkansas, and Georgia. Plus some decent mid-majors. That thing isn't as easy as it looks at first glance.
    Much easier than year's past. I'm not sure any of these teams will even be in the preseason top 25. Maybe ND and Michigan?

    Edit: I just looked at ESPN's way too early top 25. Not a single team on the non-conference schedule in the top 25. Very manageable.
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    Let's talk about the 2016-17 Longhorn basketball team

    Quote Originally Posted by TexasStrong12 View Post
    I think he had input, but no I don't think he was individually scheduling teams. Neither is Shaka. I think Shaka had input about not wanting to play overseas again, but I don't think he's making decisions on individual games.
    So then what the hell is your point? I didn't say that he personally wrote up the schedule and handled all of the logistics, I said that this is an easier non con than a typical Barnes schedule, which it is.

    What, you think the head coach has zero say in who we schedule? He just gets the schedule at the time it's released like everyone else? Rick made it a point for his teams to play very tough non conference scheduled. I seem to recall you specifically going on and on and on about our SOS last year, a schedule which was put in motion while Barnes was here. It's not happenstance that he's gone and our schedule is easier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derka Derka View Post
    So then what the hell is your point? I didn't say that he personally wrote up the schedule and handled all of the logistics, I said that this is an easier non con than a typical Barnes schedule, which it is.

    What, you think the head coach has zero say in who we schedule? He just gets the schedule at the time it's released like everyone else? Rick made it a point for his team's to play very tough non conference scheduled. I seem to recall you specifically going on and on and on about our SOS last year, a schedule which was put in motion while Barnes was here. It's not happenstance that he's gone and our schedule is easier.
    I didn't have a point. I was just honestly asking if you thought Barnes was the one behind scheduling, as that's what you seemed to imply.

    I think Texas schedules tough in all sports and that has little to do with the coaches. "Easier schedule" this year doesn't tell me much of anything about Barnes or Shaka. There's always odd ball type years where the schedule isn't as tough for whatever reason.

    Texas is normally going to have a tough non-conference schedule regardless of the coach (across all sports).
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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasStrong12 View Post
    I didn't have a point. I was just honestly asking if you thought Barnes was the one behind scheduling, as that's what you seemed to imply.

    I think Texas schedules tough in all sports and that has little to do with the coaches. "Easier schedule" this year doesn't tell me much of anything about Barnes or Shaka. There's always odd ball type years where the schedule isn't as tough for whatever reason.

    Texas is normally going to have a tough non-conference schedule regardless of the coach (across all sports).
    Rick Barnes made it a point to schedule a very tough non conference every year. That is a fact. Rick Barnes was responsible for those schedules being so tough. I have no $#@!ing clue why that touched a nerve and necessitated some snarky response about him not physically taking care of every aspect of the schedule- oh wait, yes I do!

    I'm so very apologetic for bringing up Rick Barnes. Please forgive me, I know I have sinned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derka Derka View Post
    Rick Barnes made it a point to schedule a very tough non conference every year. That is a fact. Rick Barnes was responsible for those schedules being so tough. I have no $#@!ing clue why that touched a nerve and necessitated some snarky response about him not physically taking care of every aspect of the schedule- oh wait, yes I do!

    I'm so very apologetic for bringing up Rick Barnes. Please forgive me, I know I have sinned.
    It's amazing how much you overreact. Literally, if anyone even asks a question about Barnes you flip $#@!. I wasn't even criticizing Barnes.

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    In short- yes, yes I do believe (aka know for a fact) that the head coach has a lot of say in who he schedules his own team to play against.

    If this is what's going to happen every time RICK BARNES gets mentioned it is going to be a loooooooong season. His name is going to come up every now and then. $#@!ing get over it.

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    Interesting part of the #HookEm non-con hoops schedule is there are barely any 200+ RPI candidates; that used to always hurt Texas.

    Good point from McComas. The schedule isn't top heavy but there also aren't any terrible opponents really.

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    Let's talk about the 2016-17 Longhorn basketball team

    Quote Originally Posted by TexasStrong12 View Post
    It's amazing how much you overreact. Literally, if anyone even asks a question about Barnes you flip $#@!. I wasn't even criticizing Barnes.
    More accurately would be to say that literally, if I mention Rick Barnes someone has to flip $#@!, or in your case incredulously respond that Rick had nothing to do with his own schedules.

    I have every reason to react like this, and I don't find it that amazing at all. Your response was some snarky bull$#@! that you admit had zero point. Yes, yes I do believe that Rick Barnes was responsible for his own schedules, because he was. But mentioning that offended you apparently, and apparently necessitated your incredulous response. I have no $#@!ing clue (and apparently neither do you) why my comment made you feel the need to once again marginalize every single thing Rick Barnes did, but hey, it happened.

    Rick is the one who scheduled Sparty, and UNC, and Nova, and UCLA every year. It's his team, and he has say in who he schedules. How the $#@! would you not know that?

    And seriously, $#@!ing kick rocks with the idea that I have no reason to be sensitive about this $#@!. Every time I say his name someone reacts the way you did, usually 10x worse actually. I'm sick of his name being brought up causing a reaction like that. YES, Rick did oversee his own scheduling. But you knew that. Only a complete $#@!ing idiot would think that the head basketball coach who makes 7 figures would have no say over his own schedule. So why the incredulous response?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derka Derka View Post
    I have every reason to react like this, and I don't find it that amazing at all. Your response was some snarky bull$#@! that you admit had zero point. Yes, yes I do believe that Rick Barnes was responsible for his own schedules, because he was. But mentioning that offended you apparently, and apparently necessitated your incredulous response. I have no $#@!ing clue (and apparently neither do you) why my comment made you feel the need to once again marginalize every single thing Rick Barnes did, but hey, it happened.

    Rick is the one who scheduled Sparty, and UNC, and Nova, and UCLA every year. It's his team, and he has say in who he schedules. How the duck would you not know that?

    And seriously, $#@!ing kick rocks with the idea that I have no reason to be sensitive about this $#@!. Every time I say his name someone reacts the way you did, usually 10x worse actually. I'm sick of his name being brought up causing a reaction like that. YES, Rick did oversee his own scheduling. But you knew ghat. Only a complete $#@!ing idiot would think that the head basketball coach who makes 7 figures would have no say over his own schedule. So why the incredulous response?
    It's like you don't know me at all. I'm one of the biggest Barnes defenders you will meet. I just don't overreact and bitch at every user that makes a comment related to Barnes.

    If you would take a step back and realize every comment about Barnes isn't a criticism, your life on this board would be a lot easier. In no way was I making a "snarky" comment about Barnes. I just don't think coaches are as involved in the scheduling process as you do. No doubt they have input, like I said above.
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    One of the more tangible ways Bruce Pearl impacted Tennessee was in its non-conference scheduling. During Pearl's six years Tennessee played home-and-homes (or something close to it) with Oklahoma State, Ohio State, Kansas, Pittsburgh, UConn, and of course, Rick Barnes and Texas. During the last four years with Cuonzo Martin and Donnie Tyndall the Vols' non-conference schedule has lacked as much punch, with NC State, Virginia, Wichita State, and Butler the only major home-and-homes the Vols scheduled.

    It's unclear exactly how deep Barnes will want to get the Vols in right away in the non-conference pool with a roster full of such turnover, but in Austin he was not shy about putting the Longhorns out there against elite competition early, despite playing in a consistently powerful conference. Here are Barnes' major non-tournament, non-neutral site scheduled games in the last few years at Texas:


    2014-15: at UConn, vs Stanford
    2013-14: at North Carolina, vs Michigan State
    2012-13: vs North Carolina, at Michigan State
    2011-12: at UCLA, at North Carolina
    2010-11: at Michigan State, at UConn, at Southern Cal
    2009-10: vs Michigan State, vs Southern Cal
    2008-09: at Notre Dame, vs UCLA, at Wisconsin
    2007-08: at Michigan State, vs Wisconsin
    2006-07: at Michigan State, vs LSU, at Tennessee
    2005-06: vs Tennessee, at Memphis
    Barnes typically scheduled his two big non-conference games as the last two before conference play began. This is in addition to preseason tournaments and neutral site matchups, or setups like the SEC/Big 12 Challenge that saw Texas face Vanderbilt and Kentucky the last two years. As you can see, Barnes loves Izzo.

    You'll have to forgive me for not realizing that you genuinely didn't know that head coaches make their own schedules, and you'll have to understand what the tone around here is like when it comes to me mentioning Rick Barnes. Every time I bring his name up for good reason I get a bunch of bull$#@! back, and asking me, "Do you really think he made his own schedules" sure seemed to fall into that category.
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    You're either so $#@!ing stupid that you really believe that Barnes didn't make his own schedules, or you were being a sensitive ass because his name was brought up. So which is it?
    Neither. Honest question, have you thought about valium?

    Have you not realized why you've isolated yourself on this board? I've been one of the few posters on this board that doesn't give you $#@!.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasStrong12 View Post
    Neither. Honest question, have you thought about valium?
    It can't be neither. It's one or the other.

    Quote Originally Posted by TexasStrong12 View Post
    Do you really think Barnes was the one actively scheduling teams?
    Why the hell else would you have said this? Because YES, of course I believe that he was scheduling his own teams- it's part of his job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasStrong12 View Post
    Neither. Honest question, have you thought about valium?

    Have you not realized why you've isolated yourself on this board? I've been one of the few posters on this board that doesn't give you $#@!.
    Which is why I was so surprised that you Of all people would make such a snarky response, when the answer to your question was so obvious.

    And yes, of course I realize why I've become so isolated- I'm the only one here who doesn't actively hate the best coach we've ever had, who became persona non grata here over night. Sorry not sorry.


    I don't believe that you're dumb enough to now know that the head coach is involved in his own schedule- so how else am I supposed to interpret your response, especially with the tone around here towards both myself and Rick Barnes?
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    Which is why news so surprised that you would make such a snarky response, when the answer to your question was so obvious.

    And yes, of course I realize why I've become so isolated- I'm the only one here who doesn't actively hate the best coach we've ever had, who became persona non grata here over night. Sorry not sorry.
    Snarky response where I asked a question? Not everyone on this board feels the need to criticize Barnes. If you knew anything about what I've posted on other forums you would know this. I'm the biggest Barnes defender you will meet. You've got to stop taking things related to Barnes so personally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derka Derka View Post
    of course I believe that he was scheduling his own teams- it's part of his job.
    This could have been your answer. Instead you chose, again, to focus on how you think you're being picked on.

    Enough. Shut up.

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    This could have been your answer. Instead you chose, again, to focus on how you think you're being picked on.

    Enough. Shut up.
    I don't *think* anything, I know and see on a daily basis the way I get treated around here. The amount of $#@! I've gotten over Jartett Allen, plus the fact that I'm a big polar lunatic going through a very very tough time right now, is causing me some $#@!ing consternation. The way my name is in people's mouths constantly around here is beyond tired; the crusade to give me $#@! about things I've never said about Jarrett Allen is beyond tired; the fact that I literally cannot go a single day without someone coming at me sideways completely out of left field is not something I'm imagining.

    You're gonna have to understand why I'm on edge around here, and understanding it means laying equal blame where it's due.

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    I'm one of the biggest lifelong Texas basketball fans around here, and yet I have other Texas basketball fans harassing and haranguing me on a daily basis because I said that I don't think that one of our future players is as good as everyone else thinks he is. That's it. I don't deserve to have people following me around talking shot to me about that on 6 different forums every day. All I did was give my opinion, and it's set off a firestorm of hatred and harassment. It's beyond my comprehension.

    And the people who do it the most, and the ones who make jokes about what a lunatic I am- you have no clue. I don't go out of my way to $#@! with anyone around here, but the opposite cannot be said. I have real life problems, and shaggy is a part of my real life. I wonder how the people who've made it their mission to $#@! with me like it's funny will feel when I'm gone. I just hope I haunt their dreams forever.

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    No, you have to understand your own behavior. He asked a question that could have been answered simply and without drama. You chose not to do so. His question did not attack you, didn't even attack Barnes.

    You chose to react wildly. You turned the thread to $#@!. Nobody else. You.

    You can blame it on your mental health issues if you want but that doesn't change the fact that you derailed the thread, you overreacted, and you screwed up yet another little corner of the community. How many years have you and I been posting on boards together? I know your father, which you know, and we've talked offline in the past. How many times have I gotten into it with you on the boards or called you out like this? You know the answer is zero. This is the first time.

    I like to think I am pretty patient when it comes to bull$#@! on message boards. I've engaged in 100 page debates with complete morons and never tired of slapping them down. But I've had enough. You are occasionally in the right but you have now warped things in your mind to where you act like everyone is trolling you because there have been some $#@!s and still are. So you end up lashing out at a good poster that wasn't even giving you $#@!. So again, enough.

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    And yes, of course I realize why I've become so isolated- I'm the only one here who doesn't actively hate the best coach we've ever had, who became persona non grata here over night. Sorry not sorry.
    Huh? Lots of us have been big Barnes supporters throughout. We may not match your level of "active", but he was hardly reviled by everyone by you.

    Regarding the schedule -- I agree, it's clear from listening to Texas coaches over the years that they generally have a strong hand in scheduling. I don't know how anyone could interpret otherwise. Personally, I think this new schedule is very smart -- there are few dregs to pull down RPI, but there aren't many (any?) teams that are almost sure losses. I think we stand a better chance of having a stronger record against a similar RPI, although I admit I haven't dug into the numbers.

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