Jarrett Allen is one of the worst defenders we've ever had, which is absolutely insane considering his physical gifts. Kid is just awful on that end. No desire, no fight, yet he's over aggressive to his own detriment at times. When he needs to contest a 1-on-1 shot at the rim he wilts; when he simply needs to close out on a shooter, chop his feet and raise his arm, he instead goes flying into the stands after a simple pump fake, leaving the shooter wide open. Terrible defender.
Jones is really coming into his own with the ball in his hands. He's so much more composed now than he was early in the year.
young needs to not shoot 3's
What frustrates me more than anything with this team is the lack of fundamentals, which inevitably lead to turn overs. I don't know why they are so raw. But things like passing the ball, and movement off the ball are just lacking. In regards to our star Allen, I asked in the game thread if he ever played real competition. It's surprising how bad his ball skills are offensively. He was a turnover machine last night because he insists on dribbling in the low block when he's getting doubled down on. And his lack of aggression just isn't helping him on the floor.
The fundamental mistakes are what is killing this team. In fact I really believe we have a winning record if we don't have the turnover problem. But instead we are what we are. I hate to keep beating this to death but turnovers for me is the most important issue facing our team. This team can dominate most others if they don't turn the ball over and it's been the difference in just about every game this year. But I will continue to post TO to AST numbers in game threads.
Last edited by taybo20; 01-08-2017 at 09:11 AM.
Allen played at a private school, that should answer your question about competition. St Michaels is useless if your kid is an athlete.
Shooting 50% from the field, 40% from three, and a rebounding edge and still losing means bad defense and turnovers as the biggest issues.
In regards to havoc, we should forget that for now. This team struggles to press in the games that they have. Which is why we really don't do it that much. No one ever rotates middle in a 1-2-1-1 press which is the one pass that breaks the zone with ease and enables a fast break type opportunity. Idk why, they just don't execute it well at all. I would imagine the press is something many of these guys have never run and this is the first time they've had to execute it. In fact, in terms of zone principles, I don't really see a lot that I'm happy with. we are slow to rotate, we don't close out properly, we don't keep our hands up, and as an extension we really don't shut down passing lanes. We play best in man to man. And even in man, we double at the wrong times, we never seem to call out screens, we switch when we shouldn't, we don't hedge properly on pick and rolls, and many times we just aren't in good guarding position.
This may sound like I'm just ripping this team and there is no hope, but the issues keeping this team from being above .500 are really based in fundamentals and good defense. Cleaning up basic principles will result in wins. But it can't be just one guy, the whole team has to be doing this.
The bench, btw, had 4 fouls, 2 turnovers, and 3 total points in 51 minutes which got me to wondering if we'd be better off playing an actual bench.
None of us knows why our bench is so thin; why we didn't recruit multiple PGs and multiple extra big men. The line of thinking that's been posted around here is that we don't want to overload the roster now. Sounds great, if we have a bunch of real difference makers coming in next season. So far we have zero, and the only real difference maker we are in for (Bamba) is a defensive force but has a ton of growing to do offensively before he gets to where he can be an offensive force every night.
Then there's Matt Coleman- he's the PG we need, but if you're counting on him to have a TJ or DJ-type freshman season then you will likely be disappointed.
So, not only could we really really use the extra bodies right now (and as I've said, if anyone gets injured the bottom is going to fall out), but it ain't like we have three 5* and a 4* on deck for 2017- we have more of the same type of role playing, needs-some-years-to-grow type players we have now. Shaka really might now make it past next season.
Oh and if either Coleman or Bamba (or both) decides to go somewhere else then Shaka is a dead man walking.
Look anyone that suggests Shaka should be gone is an idiot and should be disregarded completely and should just go die in a fire and be done with it....for the rest of us slightly more coherent fans here is what I see ....
A young team with incredible potential...
Hands down Tevin Mack and it is not even close.
Most disappointing player....
Do I need to even say it ?
Guy played a basically church league schedule and is way too soft.
Shows some skill and promise but should play less minutes. Needs to gain at least 25 pounds of pure muscle and a million pounds of confidence. I have dogged him like crazy but still like his upside and there is no coach better for him to get better than Shaka.
Add a stud point guard to this team and look $#@!ing out...
I am convinced Shaka is the right coach for this program just like I am convinced our football team got the right guy.
First, Allen might leave after this year. He will leave as soon as he thinks he can be 1st round pick.
Next, it looks as if Shaka is going to enter his third season as HC at Texas with ONE total PG recruited to the school. Even if that does happen to be Matt Coleman, that still leaves us in really bad shape at the position, with the true freshman as the only PG on the roster. To have coached somewhere three years and to have recruited one single PG is unfathomable- and yet right now it looks like that's exactly what's going to happen.
There's also no guarantee that we sign Bamba. Prognosticators seem to think we are in good standing, and we have all of the playing time in the world to offer him, unlike schools like Duke and Kentucky who are already replete with young big men.
Still, he has offers from everyone, and we can't count on the no.4 player in the country choosing us when he has dozens of schools to choose from.
Even if we do sign Bamba he is not going to step in and dominate on the offensive end. He should be an outstanding rebounder and shot blocker, but Dylan Osetkowski would still be our most talented big man on the offensive end. While Allen + Bamba should be outstanding at protecting the rim, the two of them wouldn't combine to average more than 20 ppg.
So, absolute best case scenario looks like this:
That's a helluva lot better than this year, there's no doubt about that- but it's still a team that really lacks shooting, does not have a great offensive player in the post, and aside from maybe Bamba (or Allen if he gets some coaching) no really good individual defenders. It's a tournament team, but not one that will compete to win the conference. But hey, I think we'd all sign up for this in a heartbeat.
Now then, here is the worst case scenario, which I'm afraid is actually more likely to happen than the above scenario:
Big man signing/transfer?
That's another bad team. That's another missed NCAA tourney. That's another team that is awful at shooting, and porous defensively. The best/most experienced players are still the combo guards + Mack, all of whom still project to have major holes in their game. At this point only Mack could feasibly be projected to ever make the All Conference team. Those guys would be the ones leading a whole slew of freshmen who simply are not these Kentucky freshmen who step in from day 1 and make a major impact. They will all he projects like Allen, Banks, and Young.
If this is the case then Shaka will be fired at the end of next year, and the torches and pitchforks will have been out for months. This scenario could happen, and Shaka would not survive it.
Now then, it's almost a certainty that something between these two will happen. But that still leaves us in murky territory, and still leaves Shaka very much needing to bag multiple All American recruits from the c/o 2018 if he wants to keep his job.
His work is certainly cut out for him, and it's an uphill battle right now. As of today, with Bamba and Coleman uncommitted and Jarrett Allen a giant question mark, Shaka is already playing catch up if he even wants to make the tourney next year. Missing the tourney multiple years in a row (after having made it with Rick Barnes' players) will not be accepted. So while I agree that it would be dumb to want him fired right now, Shaka has a lot of work to do if he wants the same to be said one year from now.
Also, anyone know how medical redshirts work. Can Isom get a medical RS?
The biggest upgrade next year might not be at PG but with Osetkowski. Getting a legit stretch big will open the offense up so much.
Unfortunately without Isom or Osetkowski this year we still have shooting issues.
Last edited by TexasStrong12; 01-08-2017 at 04:18 PM.
Anecdotal and statistical evidence which shows that 5* Jarrett Allen doesn not even compare favorably with Shaq Cleare:
Allen gets the rock and everything grinds to a halt. Seems like 1/3 of his touches result in turnovers. He has no idea what to do with the ball when he gets it, and he often just stands sedentary, over-thinking the entire play unsure of what to do. Whenever he gets double teamed it's pretty much a turnover. He gets smothered, and is easily flustered. Even when he doesn't turn the ball over he makes negative plays.
For someone who was gifted with a body like that he has the *worst* rebounding positioning/timing/effort/acumen/everything. He is constantly putting himself in a terrible rebounding position, he is constantly having 6'3" guards come flying in from behind him to grab rebounds, and he doesn't seem to be interested in putting his body up against anyone. For all of the obvious advantages he has over Shaq Cleare, he has an absymal basketball IQ, he plays like a deer in the headlights, and he shuts down our offense which for some totally bewildering reason is designed to go thorugh him. It's really hard to watch.
Oh, and not only is Shaq Cleare much better than Allen at a ton of stuff that doesn't always show up on a stat sheet, their per 40 averages are pretty damn similar:
Allen: 14.5 ppg, 10.5 reb, 1.4 ast, 0.5 stl, 3.8 TO, .559 FG%, .547 FT%
Cleare: 14.0 ppg, 10.6 reb, 1.3 ast, 0.5 stl, 2.6 TO, .494 FG%, .857 FT%
Allen: ORtg: 98.9 DRtg: 97.3
Cleare: ORtg: 107.6 DRtg: 97.5
ORtg-Offensive Rating- A metric that estimates how many points an individual player produces per 100 team possessions. This concept is also used to rate a team's offensive production per 100 possessions
DRtg- Defensive Rating- (available since the 1973-74 season in the NBA); for players and teams it is points allowed per 100 posessions
Last edited by Derka; 01-08-2017 at 08:47 PM.
Regardless of what stats say, Cleare is a huge detriment to this team in several areas. I'm not saying Allen doesn't have his weaknesses, because he does.
Cleare simply can't defend the pick and roll which is often a detriment to other players and their stats. In addition to the fact that nobody even attempts to guard Cleare outside of about 2 feet from the rim.
What Cleare does add to this team is his rebounding ability and at least some experience. But he's not a player that should be getting more than 12 to 15 minutes a game (as his history shows).
I don't even dislike Cleare, he is what he is. I have more criticism of Cleare getting as many minutes per game as I do of his actual ability.
Last edited by TexasStrong12; 01-08-2017 at 08:59 PM.
We aren't talking about Allen in the future vs Shaq right now, we're talking about Allen right now vs Shaq right now, and both my eyeballs and the numbers say that Shaq is equal to or better than Jarrett Allen thus far. You deride Cleare, and yet he has a MUCH higher ORtg and an equal DRtg. It doesn't matter if he can't guard the P&R, because all Allen can do is stand under the rim and swat layups like he's the biggest kid in middle school. And again, you continue to discount the litany of areas which aren't measured staistically where Cleare >>>> Allen, i.e. rebounding position, knwoing where to be on the floor, and moving the ball, as mentioned above.
Shaq is a 4th year D-1 player who is fully accustomed to playing D-1 ball. He doesn't have to think about anything- he knows where to be and what to do.He isn't so great at the whole "doing" part of the equation, but he's on time. Jarrett Allen has major major problems knowing where to be and what to do, and he is having an awful time adjusting to the college game. His ceiling is miles above Cleare's, but as of today I trust Shaq Cleare a helluva lot more than I trust Allen to not make a negative play, and to know his role. Allen just isn't there yet. He's just not.
Last edited by Derka; 01-08-2017 at 09:01 PM.
But at the end of the day, Cleare has a limited skill set and that mold of player simply doesn't work in today's college game outside of a couple players.
My biggest issue with Shaka so far is he's tried to adjust to the players too much IMO. Cleare doesn't fit what he wants to do, which is why he has to use "havoc" so sparingly at times. I think this team would be much better off if they just went small at the 5 with Allen and played like Shaka did at VCU. This team is much better when they get up and down and score in transition.
IMO one of the biggest detriments to Allen this year is having to play so many minutes with Cleare. For Allen's skill set to truly be maximized he needs to be at the 5 instead of being paired with Cleare.
Last edited by TexasStrong12; 01-08-2017 at 09:10 PM.
In regards to Allen at the 5... the sad truth is he'd probably be better there. Simple pick and rolls to the basket or just sitting on the block. And that's really sad. But the offset to that, is we lose valuable rebounding and ball movement without Cleare, which really says a lot about this team. Allen has no clue what to do out their fundamentally or functionally. It's a big task for Shaka because there is just so much to teach him imo. Allen has an aggression and consistency problem. His flashes are great but they are just to few and far between his TOs.
You would think Allen has fallen down draft boards at this point. I think he's back
So the home game against ousux is our next realistic chance for a win... We'll likely be on a 5 game losing streak unless a miracle occurs.
I'll be at the game following ousux in Athens against Georgia.
Someone photoshop "Texas Basketball" over "dog racing."
Last edited by GreenspointTexas; 01-11-2017 at 09:12 PM.
So I'm really big on the TO to AST ratio. I think it is the biggest problems facing this team.
We rank 83rd in number of TOs. Not too bad really. The problem is we are 318th in Assists. 318!!!!!!! out of 351 $#@!ing teams. We are $#@!ing horrible at passing the ball and getting good shots.
Last edited by taybo20; 01-12-2017 at 08:12 AM.
This team doesn't seem to have the extra gear to finish off the opposition.
Once the get a 5 point lead with 5 minutes to go, they need to break the other teams will to win.
Well the hits just keep coming.
@LonghornNetwork: Texas sophomore guard/forward and team leading scorer Tevin Mack has been suspended indefinitely for a violation of team rules.
@LonghornNetwork: Texas coach Shaka Smart: “We have a set of standards that we expect people in our program to adhere to. Tevin has failed to reach them.”
@mikefinger: Perhaps unrelated, but Tevin Mack tore into teammate Kerwin Roach as time expired in last night's loss to TCU.
Last edited by mdmost; 01-12-2017 at 01:58 PM.
Soooo 7-12 going into the OU game.... super.
Coleman decides Monday.....
it's just odd how Young can't even seem to catch or pass the ball of late... not to mention making a shot. I was cautiously optimistic about him being a great find early on and now he looks like a panicked kid in the 24-hour fitness league playing against grown ass men. It's also strange that 95% of Banks shots get blocked... it seems like everyone on the team is scared $#@!less about playing... Sure would be nice to have a James Thomas and DJ Augustin to get these kids to grow up... I'd even settle for a Panama Myers and Brandy Perryman.
Isom supposed to make his season debut vs Baylor.
From what I've seen of him he's very quick, can shoot off the dribble, and should be able to set his teammates up with plenty of open shots. "I'll have the ball in my hands from day 1." Yes you will Matt. Yes you will.
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