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    Quote Originally Posted by The Earl of Texas View Post
    I think he's looking for True Grit
    Hopefully the original and not that bull$#@! remake I wasted time watching

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    Remember when we supposedly offered the most money for Andrew Miller? We should have offered more

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    My ideal starters:

    Villar
    Bregman
    Altuve
    Correa
    JD Martinez
    Springer
    Carter
    Gurriel
    Gattis

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    What about Brett Wallace?

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    He's been hitting really well in AAA. I say give him another shot, along with Singleton.

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    we should give kaz matsui and his anal fissures another crack at the lineup.

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    What's Jason Lane and Wesley Wright up to? Let's get the gang back together!



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    Bring back Conger

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    Lost the Asian death machine. Lost out on the playoffs. Coincidence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old96er View Post
    Lost the Asian death machine. Lost out on the playoffs. Coincidence?
    Your argument is bulletproof. #teamconger #$#@!em

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    Is Daryle Ward still on the Skeeters? Bring him back. One of my favorite underrated Astros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storm the Field View Post
    He's been hitting really well in AAA. I say give him another shot, along with Singleton.
    Singleton had plenty of chances and has proven he cannot hit major league pitching. Trade him for a bucket of balls if you can get that much.

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    Brett is the definition of a AAAA player.

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    Official 2016-17 Houston Astros Offseason Thread

    we'll storm was clearly joking anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cooder View Post
    What's Jason Lane and Wesley Wright up to? Let's get the gang back together!


    We bringing Lane back as a pitcher or outfielder? I just looked it up and he had a 0.87 ERA in 10 innings for San Diego back in 2014 and hasn't played since.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhatAtUT View Post
    we'll storm was clearly joking anyway
    Thank you. I thought I was laying it on rather transparently.

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    To be fair, adding back JD Martinez, Villar, Carter, and Grossman would theoretically improve the lineup dramatically.

    fWAR/wRC+:
    Carter 0.9/112
    Martinez 1.8/142
    Villar 3.0/118
    Grossman 0.7/127

    Replacing:
    White -0.4/79
    Tucker -0.8/46
    Gomez -0.4/60
    Reed -0.9/50
    Kemp -0.6/71
    Teoscar -0.3/93

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    ^^^ you just made Scraps' $#@! list



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    OK I'm drinking the Kool-Aid with Snake D-

    LF Laureano / Marisnick
    CF Springer
    3B Bregman
    2B Altuve
    SS Correa
    RF Red$#@! ($40M/3yrs)
    1B Gurriel
    DH Trumbo ($40M/3yrs?)
    C Gattis/Castro ($35M/3yrs)





    UT Marwin

    Rotation: Sale, Keuchel, McHugh, McCullers, Musgrove
    Bullpen: Devenski, Feliz, Sipp, Harris, Gregerson, Giles, Chapman ($90M/5yrs)

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGOAT View Post

    LF Laureano
    I wonder if he'll be ready next year. He's been killing the Arizona Fall League.

    Laureano's start to the AFL couldn't have gone much better. He's hitting a cool .571 after the first week of play. Half of his eight hits have been for extra bases, he's swiped three more bases, walked a couple of times, and hasn't struck out yet. He's tied for first in the league in average, and is second in OPS. No one else has at least three extra-base hits and three stolen bases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGOAT View Post
    OK I'm drinking the Kool-Aid with Snake D-

    LF Laureano / Marisnick
    CF Springer
    3B Bregman
    2B Altuve
    SS Correa
    RF Red$#@! ($40M/3yrs)
    1B Gurriel
    DH Trumbo ($40M/3yrs?)
    C Gattis/Castro ($35M/3yrs)





    UT Marwin

    Rotation: Sale, Keuchel, McHugh, McCullers, Musgrove
    Bullpen: Devenski, Feliz, Sipp, Harris, Gregerson, Giles, Chapman ($90M/5yrs)
    show me a loss?

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    Would folks be ok trading for Sale if Bregman was part of the transaction?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGOAT View Post
    Would folks be ok trading for Sale if Bregman was part of the transaction?
    Only if he is the only meaningful part of the deal going to Chicago AND only if the Astros ability to add payroll is MUCH higher than what the current consensus opinion dictates. If Crane is willing/able to go to $150M+/yr for the foreseeable future, then they can absorb the loss of Bregman by signing a free agent while still filling their other holes. And even then I would be hesitant, and probably want to build in some protection that if Sale gets hurt in year 1 and misses more than a few starts then Houston gets a meaningful PTBNL as compensation.

    If what we currently think is true (that Houston is looking at a pAyroll somewhere in the $100-120M range), then they won't be able to replace Bregman's value via free agency and still being able fill the holes at catcher and the outfield.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snake Diggity View Post
    Only if he is the only meaningful part of the deal going to Chicago AND only if the Astros ability to add payroll is MUCH higher than what the current consensus opinion dictates. If Crane is willing/able to go to $150M+/yr for the foreseeable future, then they can absorb the loss of Bregman by signing a free agent while still filling their other holes. And even then I would be hesitant, and probably want to build in some protection that if Sale gets hurt in year 1 and misses more than a few starts then Houston gets a meaningful PTBNL as compensation.

    If what we currently think is true (that Houston is looking at a pAyroll somewhere in the $100-120M range), then they won't be able to replace Bregman's value via free agency and still being able fill the holes at catcher and the outfield.
    Why is Crane unwilling to spend money at the moment? Is he a Loria level cheap $#@! or just waiting for a few years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGOAT View Post
    Would folks be ok trading for Sale if Bregman was part of the transaction?
    Same answer as July....No

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    I'll pass on trading Bregman

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    Quote Originally Posted by Landon View Post
    Why is Crane unwilling to spend money at the moment? Is he a Loria level cheap $#@! or just waiting for a few years?
    It's impossible for us to know without seeing their books, but Houston had a $#@!ty tv deal that they finally replaced with a mediocre tv deal. Their gate receipts also are not fantastic and their ownership is supposedly highly leveraged. Now all that has been counterbalanced by ridiculously low payrolls, so who knows. My guess is that eventually Houston should be able to reasonably sustain a payroll in the middle third of the league, which would put them ~$150M. I expect whatever they get to this year will be where it ends up since they are firmly in their window and it would be stupid to save powder until their core leaves or becomes expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snake Diggity View Post
    It's impossible for us to know without seeing their books, but Houston had a $#@!ty tv deal that they finally replaced with a mediocre tv deal. Their gate receipts also are not fantastic and their ownership is supposedly highly leveraged. Now all that has been counterbalanced by ridiculously low payrolls, so who knows. My guess is that eventually Houston should be able to reasonably sustain a payroll in the middle third of the league, which would put them ~$150M. I expect whatever they get to this year will be where it ends up since they are firmly in their window and it would be stupid to save powder until their core leaves or becomes expensive.
    That's my hope as well. I get, maybe, running it back one more year on the cheap waiting to see who develops. If I was going to do that here's how I'd approach it

    C- Gattis/whoever- $6
    1B- Reed/White- - $1
    2b- Altuve- 5.5
    SS- Correa- .5
    3b- Bregman. 5
    DH- Yuli- 12
    RF- Red$#@!- 14
    CF- Springer- 6
    LF- Marisnick/Teo- 1

    Positional- 47

    Rotation

    DK- 12
    LMJ- .5
    McH- 5.5
    Fiers- 4
    Musgrove- .5

    Rotation- 23

    Bullpen

    Dump Sipp and Sidearm dude ($#@! I'm blanking on his name) to anyone who will eat salary
    Gregerson - 8
    Harris- 3
    Giles- .5
    Feliz- .5
    Martes- .5
    Awesome rookie from last year (see I'm really bad at names at 7:00 at the office .5
    Hoyt- .5

    Bullpen- 14 million.

    IF Reed or White hit, Gattis can stay healthy and productive for 110 games a year, LMJ can stay healthy and Keuchel bounces back that's a playoff team on about $90 million dollar budget.

    I'd rather get Encarnacion, Red$#@! and Wienters (spot start Gattis) DH Reed and Gattis and role with Yuli at 1b. That probably costs $150 and it takes away a lot of question marks.

    I'm ok with trading Bregman for Sale. Slide the Cuban into 3rd and go to war with

    Sale
    Keuchel
    LMJ
    McHugh
    Musgrove

    with Fiers as a long man and that's a pretty good rotation. And it's under club control everywhere for at least a few more years. Not my money. But I'm still waiting on the Correa, Reed and 3 or 4 minor leaguers for Trout and Pujols. Should be anytime now that Lunhow gets back to me to let me help him pitch that to the Angels.

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    No on trading Bregman. Core piece.



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    The trade Bregman folks need to lay off the stupid

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    Hopefully my avatar is obsolete.
    You're a Houston sport fan. It's always going to be a part of our teams' DNA. That's like saying "I hope that my eyes change color next year."

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    I think this is a symbolic picture of the Astros erasing Gomez from their psyche as well as in CF:


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    its all about pitching. we need to somehow build a dominant pitching staff thats deep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oilcanboyd View Post
    its all about pitching. we need to somehow build a dominant pitching staff thats deep.
    Charlie?

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    The Astros voided their deal with Cionel Perez. They aren't saying why, but I'm guessing something is up with the physical.

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    that's going to make it real easy to sign these types of pitchers in the future

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    Cespedes reportedly will opt out of the remaining 2 years of his Mets deal and hit FA.

    A man can dream?

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    Cespedes in left, Springer in center, and Red$#@! in right would be awesome



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    Quote Originally Posted by oilcanboyd View Post
    its all about pitching. we need to somehow build a dominant pitching staff thats deep.
    Didn't we spend years as the worst $#@!ing team ever to make sure we could build a staff and roster from within?

    Quote Originally Posted by mycoxaphlopin View Post
    The Astros voided their deal with Cionel Perez. They aren't saying why, but I'm guessing something is up with the physical.
    Word is we may renegotiate instead of turning him loose.

    Quote Originally Posted by MajorHarsin View Post
    No on trading Bregman. Core piece.
    Agreed. May turn out to be best hitter on the roster who isn't Altuve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cooder View Post
    Cespedes in left, Springer in center, and Red$#@! in right would be awesome


    i would $#@!s with this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mez2 View Post
    i would $#@!s with this.
    If that was the case, I would be happy to roll with anyone at dh/1b, depending on where Gurriel is going to play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Earl of Texas View Post
    Didn't we spend years as the worst $#@!ing team ever to make sure we could build a staff and roster from within?



    Word is we may renegotiate instead of turning him loose.



    Agreed. May turn out to be best hitter on the roster who isn't Altuve.
    Yes, and we whiffed on Mark Appel who was supposed to be a staff ace. Aiken turned into Bregman so that one doesn't hurt as bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mez2 View Post
    i would $#@!s with this.
    Then we'll $#@!s together!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cooder View Post
    Cespedes in left, Springer in center, and Red$#@! in right would be awesome




    Would be awesome, but I think fans should hope for either Cespedes or Red$#@! with one of our AAAA guys filling the other spot./realistic

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    realistic would be hoping for red$#@!

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    when does free agency start? I looked for about 15 seconds and said $#@! it someone here will know.

    Isn't it normally around the Sunday after the last WS game? so Nov 6th maybe?

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    Ashby not returning. There will be an all-new TV team it seems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storm the Field View Post
    Ashby not returning. There will be an all-new TV team it seems.
    Robert Ford please

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storm the Field View Post
    Ashby not returning.
    Interesting. I thought it was a mistake the first time they let him go but he somehow started sucking while he was in toronto.

    Quote Originally Posted by Storm the Field View Post
    There will be an all-new TV team it seems.
    I hope Julia and Blum are back. I'd be ok with Blum full time if he wanted to do it

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