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    Battle of Mosul - 2016

    So Iraq is basically about to de-ISIS itself, the battle of Mosul kicked off today, to kick ISIS out of their last major stronghold in Iraq. It started with leaflets being dropped by the US, and then the citizens themselves starting an armed uprising against ISIS, which sent the Iraq military and militias into gear. We bombed their main bridges to create one safe corridor for ISIS and civilians trapped to safely get out.
    As a Marine who did two tours over in Iraq, I've always watched with dismay and now interest everything that's been going on in Iraq and Afghanistan, as the areas I fought over and knew people who died in were gobbled up by ISIS, and now retaken by the Iraqi's. This is the current landscape:


    You can watch a live video of it on Daily Mail's website, as they sit back at one of the cordon sites near the bottom of the page here:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ocial-facebook

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    Mosul!!!!

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    "We bombed their main bridges to create one safe corridor for ISIS... to safely get out." $#@! dat boo$#@!.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spinmonkey View Post
    "We bombed their main bridges to create one safe corridor for ISIS... to safely get out." $#@! dat boo$#@!.
    Yeah, I'm not sure what's up with that other than to maybe try & pick them off on exit?

    Also, it's nice to see the Iraqis actually doing their own heavy lifting. Need more info on how they are getting this done vs. American soldiers being deep in the suck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NCAAFBALLROX View Post
    Yeah, I'm not sure what's up with that other than to maybe try & pick them off on exit?

    Also, it's nice to see the Iraqis actually doing their own heavy lifting. Need more info on how they are getting this done vs. American soldiers being deep in the suck.
    They will most likely try to blend in with the civilians through that passage. Can't do much about it really.

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    Safe passage for ISIS with a road to Syria? I must be understanding that wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spinmonkey View Post
    They will most likely try to blend in with the civilians through that passage. Can't do much about it really.
    You could kill every man, woman and child that crossed that bridge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NCAAFBALLROX View Post
    Yeah, I'm not sure what's up with that other than to maybe try & pick them off on exit?
    Not sure, but it seems an application of an age-old strategy. In the Art of War, Sun Tzu advised "When you surround an army, leave an outlet free." The idea is that, when all routes of escape are cut off, the enemy fights to the death. Leave possibility of escape open, however, and the enemy will break and flee, leaving them vulnerable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forty Acres View Post
    Safe passage for ISIS with a road to Syria? I must be understanding that wrong.
    This isn't an attempt to end ISIS. They want them out of Afghanistan first. They're notorious for using human shields and forcing regular populous to live among them to avoid airstrikes, so it would make sense to let civilians have a way out and expect ISIS to go with them.

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    Iraqi general offers Isis an escape route in battle for Mosul
    Fears grow that jihadists could use civilians as human shields

    The Iraqi general commanding the operation to liberate Mosul plans to leave open a corridor for Islamic State fighters to flee the city rather than trap them in an urban battle that would endanger civilians.

    Major-General Najim Abed al-Jubouri believes that the hundreds of thousands of residents in the city would be used as a mass human shield.

    “I believe in a corridor,” he told The Times. “If we surround them [Islamic State] from every side they will be pushed to fight to the last. The population is the big challenge for us — so we must fight Isis outside Mosul,…

    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/wo...1f6d-339490589

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    It's a calculated move to push them all out of the populated centers. When they liberated Fallujah a couple months ago they did this same thing. They offered ISIS a free safe corridor to get out of Fallujah, if they would leave the civilians and leave peacefully, many ISIS took them on their offer, and were safely convoyed out of Fallujah. Most went to Syria, but some went into Mosul. They were able to liberate Fallujah in a couple days because of it, and nobody was really injured. MOUNT fighting (Urban warfare) is notoriously difficult, and it could cause literal fighting house to house, door to door, and usually has a lot of casualties and loss of infrastructure. By promising them safe passage out of the city, they make their job 100 times easier. The Iraq military and militias, save for the Peshmerga are not professionals, so if they can legitimately liberate the city without a lot of fighting they're smart to take it. Who cares if ISIS is running around in the deserts, or the quagmire that is Syria, as long as Iraq's populated areas are safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MillerEP View Post
    It's a calculated move to push them all out of the populated centers. When they liberated Fallujah a couple months ago they did this same thing. They offered ISIS a free safe corridor to get out of Fallujah, if they would leave the civilians and leave peacefully, many ISIS took them on their offer, and were safely convoyed out of Fallujah. Most went to Syria, but some went into Mosul. They were able to liberate Fallujah in a couple days because of it, and nobody was really injured. MOUNT fighting (Urban warfare) is notoriously difficult, and it could cause literal fighting house to house, door to door, and usually has a lot of casualties and loss of infrastructure. By promising them safe passage out of the city, they make their job 100 times easier. The Iraq military and militias, save for the Peshmerga are not professionals, so if they can legitimately liberate the city without a lot of fighting they're smart to take it. Who cares if ISIS is running around in the deserts, or the quagmire that is Syria, as long as Iraq's populated areas are safe.
    This.

    AND, as ISIS fighters run away from populated areas, and re-group in less populated areas . . . you can start using bigger strikes against them, and have less fear of civilian casualties.

    And of course, denying ISIS the comfort and benefits and profits they get from holding a major city is a huge benefit as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brisketexan View Post
    This.

    AND, as ISIS fighters run away from populated areas, and re-group in less populated areas . . . you can start using bigger strikes against them, and have less fear of civilian casualties.

    And of course, denying ISIS the comfort and benefits and profits they get from holding a major city is a huge benefit as well.

    Maybe we're letting them go so they can all go to Syria to fight the Russians.

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    I have been following liveuamap all morning.
    http://isis.liveuamap.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brisketexan View Post
    This.

    AND, as ISIS fighters run away from populated areas, and re-group in less populated areas . . . you can start using bigger strikes against them, and have less fear of civilian casualties.

    And of course, denying ISIS the comfort and benefits and profits they get from holding a major city is a huge benefit as well.
    You have to understand that the whole appeal of ISIS from a theological* standpoint, too, is the idea of forming a caliphate. By denying them territory and citizenry we are undermining their legitimacy.


    *yes, I know most of their adherents are more focused on a license to rape as opposed to obeisance before Allah but the point remains the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood Colt View Post
    Mosul!!!!
    Does anyone remember when we invaded Iraq and Don King was promoting some big fight, he was up at the podium waving an American flag and just randomly shouting 'Mosul!'?

    That place will always hold a warm place in my heart for that moment.

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    Daesh using children as executioners again. According to the link I got this from, their executing supposed "spies"

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    Liveuamap had a report that Iraqi F-16s took out a convoy of 30 ISIS vehicles trying to escape, so they aren't completely letting them get away.

    On a slightly different front her is the FSA taking out a Syrian BMP with a TOW.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYiPkmN-QQY

    They should be yelling TOWs are great.
    Last edited by RayDog; 10-17-2016 at 12:01 PM.

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    Well that convoy was on the wrong road. The corridor is near Badush to the Northwest, which is the fastest way to Syria. The convoy they took out was heading deeper into Iraq to the West near Masad. That road is offlimits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood Colt View Post
    You could kill every man, woman and child that crossed that bridge.

    Sincerely,

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    Easy, you just don't lead em so much

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    Wait. Iraq has F16's? I thought I saw them just a few years back learning to fly light trainers.

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    They mostly use Su-25's, but they have some of our old stuff as well:
    https://twitter.com/Iraqiairforce

    It's about 8:30 at night over there now, so as their day draws to a close so far the operation has been steadily progressing, the Iraqis have captured about a dozen villages in the outskirts and say they've destroyed 52 targets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RayDog View Post
    I have been following liveuamap all morning.
    http://isis.liveuamap.com/
    I'm not looking to get flagged by the govt for going on a website. Is this a good one or no?

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    Getting ISIS out of Mosul isn't the hard part. The hard part is getting the Shiite Iraqi forces and Iranian-backed militias not to go on a genocidal crusade against the Sunni civilians in Mosul after the battle is won.

    My understanding is that the U.S. has insisted that the Iranian militia have been excluded from this operation for that reason. It's supposed to be the Iraqi forces and the Kurds that are handling it with U.S. special forces on the ground directing air attacks, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrouserTrout View Post
    I'm not looking to get flagged by the govt for going on a website. Is this a good one or no?
    It is an Ukrainian site that aggregates twitter feeds and other social media and sometimes regular media sources. It was started to follow Russia's war against Ukraine, but they have added other conflicts (mainly Syria & Isis), and daily news from other areas.

    I have been checking it almost daily for a couple years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhatTheBuck View Post
    Getting ISIS out of Mosul isn't the hard part. The hard part is getting the Shiite Iraqi forces and Iranian-backed militias not to go on a genocidal crusade against the Sunni civilians in Mosul after the battle is won.

    My understanding is that the U.S. has insisted that the Iranian militia have been excluded from this operation for that reason. It's supposed to be the Iraqi forces and the Kurds that are handling it with U.S. special forces on the ground directing air attacks, etc.
    I watched Barzani's Press Conference, and they said that the $#@!e militas are not allowed to actually go into Mosul, they'll be a part of the cordon the West and Southwest. There was A LOT of talk about how afriad people are for $#@!e revenge.


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    I assume the Kurds are not keen on returning their hard-won land in Northern Iraq to the Baghdad government post ISIS. Will we see a Kurdish state emerge from the rubble or a war between Baghdad and the Kurds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truck's Son View Post
    I assume the Kurds are not keen on returning their hard-won land in Northern Iraq to the Baghdad government post ISIS. Will we see a Kurdish state emerge from the rubble or a war between Baghdad and the Kurds?
    Barzani mentioned that there had been no discussion on what will happen next. But, you can bet that the Kurds are not going to give up their lands. I am hoping that they do end up with a free Kurdistan from their territories in both Iraq and Syria. They have earned it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truck's Son View Post
    I assume the Kurds are not keen on returning their hard-won land in Northern Iraq to the Baghdad government post ISIS. Will we see a Kurdish state emerge from the rubble or a war between Baghdad and the Kurds?
    The Turks are hell bent on preventing that, seeing how they see the Kurds as "terrorists," both inside and outside of Turkey. Kurdistan needs to be created anyway.

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    Here is footage of the convoy being hit.
    https://twitter.com/IraqiSecurity/st...73943458611200

    nevermind it looks old.
    Last edited by RayDog; 10-17-2016 at 02:08 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MillerEP View Post
    Daesh using children as executioners again. According to the link I got this from, their executing supposed "spies"
    Hell, if I'm captured by ISIS, Id' be ecstatic at the prospect of that being my fate.

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    http://mashable.com/2016/10/17/mosul...facebook-live/

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    Quote Originally Posted by RayDog View Post
    I have been following liveuamap all morning.
    http://isis.liveuamap.com/
    Thats a great link. Looks like ISIS is down to recruiting teenagers

    http://isis.liveuamap.com/en/2016/17...isis-militants

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truck's Son View Post
    I assume the Kurds are not keen on returning their hard-won land in Northern Iraq to the Baghdad government post ISIS. Will we see a Kurdish state emerge from the rubble or a war between Baghdad and the Kurds?
    Overdue, imo and $#@! Turkey and Erdogan if they don't like it. Erdogan only has balls enough to jail journalists, anyway.

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    i cant keep up with who is who anymore and who is on who's side? kurds, pakis, daesh/isis?, fsa, $#@!e, sunni, canadians...etc..we need a score card so we can keep track.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LCHorn View Post
    Overdue, imo and $#@! Turkey and Erdogan if they don't like it. Erdogan only has balls enough to jail journalists, anyway.
    Yeah, I used to grudgingly like Turkey, but Erdogan and his shenanigans, apparently fully supported by the people, have Turkey back on my $#@!list. Israel, Jordan and Kurdistan ftw in the ME.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foosters Galore View Post
    Hell, if I'm captured by ISIS, Id' be ecstatic at the prospect of that being my fate.
    Absolutely.

    "I'm not gonna get slowly beheaded, set on fire, or drowned in a cage? Just two to the back of the head? This is my lucky day!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwiceHorn View Post
    Yeah, I used to grudgingly like Turkey, but Erdogan and his shenanigans, apparently fully supported by the people, have Turkey back on my $#@!list. Israel, Jordan and Kurdistan ftw in the ME.
    They're pretty much all on my $#@! list for one reason or another. Israel does far more to hinder U.S interests than help them and all the others wipe their asses with their hands. I like the Azerbaijanis, do they count? They actually contributed bodies when we were in Iraq to kick ass and not just advise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erikestradaschesthair View Post
    i cant keep up with who is who anymore and who is on who's side? kurds, pakis, daesh/isis?, fsa, $#@!e, sunni, canadians...etc..we need a score card so we can keep track.
    it's pretty simple really



    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle21533409/

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    ISIS's propaganda people put this up as their assessment, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle:

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    Quote Originally Posted by elfenix View Post

    The Frontline on this last week, "Confronting Isis" was a good overview on the current state of this mess. Well worth a watch: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/

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    Quote Originally Posted by erikestradaschesthair View Post
    i cant keep up with who is who anymore and who is on who's side? kurds, pakis, daesh/isis?, fsa, $#@!e, sunni, canadians...etc..we need a score card so we can keep track.
    Despite the recent peace, we have been at war with the dirty Canadians for 250 years. You'll never catch me with a bottle of their whiskey in my house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LCHorn View Post
    Overdue, imo and $#@! Turkey and Erdogan if they don't like it. Erdogan only has balls enough to jail journalists, anyway.
    Yep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chad $#@! View Post
    The Frontline on this last week, "Confronting Isis" was a good overview on the current state of this mess. Well worth a watch: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/
    Great episode. One simple takeaway: What's most important to the US in that region is not necessarily what's most important to others. Saudi Arabia is most concerned with Iran and is hella pissed at the US for making the nuke deal with them. Turkey is most concerned with the Kurds and is hella pissed that we've assisted them in the fight against Isis.

    Goes into much greater detail addressing the various dynamics in the region. Everything from Saudi's support of Wahhabism to Russia's entry into the Syrian civil war.

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    How in the world do they conclude the U.S. is hostile towards Hezbollah? We currently tolerate them and don't denounce them. We're one new administration away from shipping them stuff.

    Anyway, back to Mosul. I cannot believe how far in advance all sides are telegraphing this thing. It's like a VICE documentary unfolding in real time. Every news outlet is going to be watching this thing, which of course means the U.S. and Great Britain will be vilified for war crimes and genocide during it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RayDog View Post
    Here is footage of the convoy being hit.
    https://twitter.com/IraqiSecurity/st...73943458611200

    nevermind it looks old.
    So I clicked on this earlier and the tweet immediately "after" it is this:



    Fookin ell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MillerEP View Post
    It's a calculated move to push them all out of the populated centers. When they liberated Fallujah a couple months ago they did this same thing. They offered ISIS a free safe corridor to get out of Fallujah, if they would leave the civilians and leave peacefully, many ISIS took them on their offer, and were safely convoyed out of Fallujah. Most went to Syria, but some went into Mosul. They were able to liberate Fallujah in a couple days because of it, and nobody was really injured. MOUNT fighting (Urban warfare) is notoriously difficult, and it could cause literal fighting house to house, door to door, and usually has a lot of casualties and loss of infrastructure. By promising them safe passage out of the city, they make their job 100 times easier. The Iraq military and militias, save for the Peshmerga are not professionals, so if they can legitimately liberate the city without a lot of fighting they're smart to take it. Who cares if ISIS is running around in the deserts, or the quagmire that is Syria, as long as Iraq's populated areas are safe.
    I wonder if they'll do the same thing when they have to re-capture Fallujah again next year.

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