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    Quote Originally Posted by MissingInAction View Post
    I think 1000 years is pretty damn optimistic.
    no $#@!. my guess is more like 200, and i feel like that is optimistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fightin' Buck View Post
    Correct. We are not living on the Earth in a sustainable manner. 7+ billion people, and rapidly climbing. Something is going to give, at some point, if that number doesn't start declining soon and rapidly.
    You malthusians are so cute. And always wrong. But so cute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulaw Horn View Post
    You malthusians are so cute. And always wrong. But so cute.
    You're a soothsayer?!?

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    Unless there is a mass human die-off I'm afraid Professor Hawking just may be correct.

    The Earth will survive just fine. Humans won't, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Castyourhops View Post
    Unless there is a mass human die-off I'm afraid Professor Hawking just may be correct.

    The Earth will survive just fine. Humans won't, though.
    If Hawking is right, there'll also be a massive die off.

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    The is no social or environmental problem not caused by or significantly worsened by human overpopulation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shart Attack View Post
    The is no social or environmental problem not caused by or significantly worsened by human overpopulation.
    this statement can be applied to everything in nature... not just humans.

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    Why are any of us spending time on this awesome/awful forum board complaining about global population and not going out into the populace to do something about it?

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    Assuming UFOs aren't real, I look to the lack of evidence of extraterrestrial life in the universe as an unsettling prognostication for our species. With a 13+ billion year-old universe, you'd think somebody would have already made it off their rock and colonized everywhere by now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BerlinerBaer View Post
    Assuming UFOs aren't real, I look to the lack of evidence of extraterrestrial life in the universe as an unsettling prognostication for our species. With a 13+ billion year-old universe, you'd think somebody would have already made it off their rock and colonized everywhere by now.
    The speed of light limit is a bitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RayDog View Post
    The speed of light limit is a bitch.
    Even assuming only 1% light speed is attainable, it should only take about 10 million years to colonize an entire galaxy. This is a blink of an eye compared to the age of the universe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BerlinerBaer View Post
    it should only take about 10 million years to colonize an entire galaxy.
    It wouldn't take much longer than that to figure out this galaxy sucks, and permanently go somewhere else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RayDog View Post
    With total fertility rates trending toward 1.4 The world population could theoretically drop to zero within 1000 years. The 1.4 number comes about due a lowering in the ideal family size in many people's minds to 2 children, and a third of women are choosing to not have children.

    At some point groups that prefer larger families will dominate, and there will be more support for women with children such as in France today to make the 3 child family more normal. I expect the world population to stabilize at around 1 Billion.
    This is why we don't trust scientists with politics. Humans are not simply matter in motion, so predicting human action through a single statistical trend will always be wrong. The reduction of birth rates in the Western world is ideological, not biological. If a scientist in 12th century Europe were to apply the trends of the time regarding child birth to our situation of material abundance and medical expertise, then the predicted fertility rate of our time would be outlandish. A modern family operating on medieval mores would be like the Duggars. We would all have at least double the siblings and double the children.

    The population is never going to stabilize around 1 billion because there would have to be a natural factor that forcibly limits it to 1 billion. As it stands, with our technology and infrastructure we are well above 1 billion and could be so sustainably. So it is unlikely natural factors would be hospitable enough to host 1 billion people, but not hospitable enough to host more. An ideological explanation could not make it likely either. First, it isn't conceivable that the whole world would uniformly accept mere replacement population as a value. Like the present, divergence on this goal would manifest in many forms for cultural and religious reasons. Second, settling on 1 billion people as a stable global population is arbitrary. Why not 800 million? Why not 1.5 billion? If there is no natural factor constraining the range of population flux, there is no reason to believe it would not have a range from 0 to max population. Some may calculate 1 billion as the optimal population, but a calculation of 'optimal' would undoubtedly be based on reasons that cultures and religions are disposed to disagree on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grammer Police View Post
    It wouldn't take much longer than that to figure out this galaxy sucks, and permanently go somewhere else.
    We need to start a Galaxy realignment thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RayDog View Post
    With total fertility rates trending toward 1.4 The world population could theoretically drop to zero within 1000 years. The 1.4 number comes about due a lowering in the ideal family size in many people's minds to 2 children, and a third of women are choosing to not have children.

    At some point groups that prefer larger families will dominate, and there will be more support for women with children such as in France today to make the 3 child family more normal. I expect the world population to stabilize at around 1 Billion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BerlinerBaer View Post
    Assuming UFOs aren't real, I look to the lack of evidence of extraterrestrial life in the universe as an unsettling prognostication for our species. With a 13+ billion year-old universe, you'd think somebody would have already made it off their rock and colonized everywhere by now.
    Quote Originally Posted by RayDog View Post
    The speed of light limit is a bitch.
    Quote Originally Posted by BerlinerBaer View Post
    Even assuming only 1% light speed is attainable, it should only take about 10 million years to colonize an entire galaxy. This is a blink of an eye compared to the age of the universe.
    Yeah the Fermi paradox kind of addresses these issues doesn't it?

    In a nutshell, the idea is that we haven't detected or contacted other intelligent civilizations for one or more of the following reasons (there are actually many more reasons than this, but didn't want to do TL;DR):
    • Intelligent civilizations can't attain sufficient technology for interstellar travel because they always end up blowing themselves up and/or destroying their planet via resource depletion and/or climate change in the process
    • Related to the first, it takes so long for intelligent civilizations to reach the point of interstellar travel that if they don't nuke themselves or deplete their planet of natural resources, they eventually get wiped out or "reset" by a mass extinction event (asteroid strike, comet strike, etc.)
    • Intelligent civilizations do exist and know about us but are not letting us be aware of them on purpose because we're "too young." (Star Trek Prime Directive $#@!)
    • We are among the first group of intelligent civilizations to rise in our portion of the observable universe, and one group isn't sufficiently far enough ahead of the others to have made contact.
    • We are just scratching the surface in our ability to detect and understand what a signal from an advanced civilization would be.

    There are many more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oSuJeff97 View Post
    Yeah the Fermi paradox kind of addresses these issues doesn't it?

    In a nutshell, the idea is that we haven't detected or contacted other intelligent civilizations for one or more of the following reasons (there are actually many more reasons than this, but didn't want to do TL;DR):
    • Intelligent civilizations can't attain sufficient technology for interstellar travel because they always end up blowing themselves up and/or destroying their planet via resource depletion and/or climate change in the process
    • Related to the first, it takes so long for intelligent civilizations to reach the point of interstellar travel that if they don't nuke themselves or deplete their planet of natural resources, they eventually get wiped out or "reset" by a mass extinction event (asteroid strike, comet strike, etc.)
    • Intelligent civilizations do exist and know about us but are not letting us be aware of them on purpose because we're "too young." (Star Trek Prime Directive $#@!)
    • We are among the first group of intelligent civilizations to rise in our portion of the observable universe, and one group isn't sufficiently far enough ahead of the others to have made contact.
    • We are just scratching the surface in our ability to detect and understand what a signal from an advanced civilization would be.

    There are many more.


    They're already here. Duh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walden Ponderer View Post


    They're already here. Duh.
    Haha... well that actually sort of plays into the third bullet.... the idea being that an advanced civilization that has reached the point of faster-than-light travel would be so ridiculously far ahead of us, technology-wise, that they could literally be here, walking among us, observing us, etc., with us having no way whatsoever to detect their presence. If you think about it, it's no different than current scientists hiding in the woods observing wildlife from a distance using cameras, telephoto lenses, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oSuJeff97 View Post
    Haha... well that actually sort of plays into the third bullet.... the idea being that an advanced civilization that has reached the point of faster-than-light travel would be so ridiculously far ahead of us, technology-wise, that they could literally be here, walking among us, observing us, etc., with us having no way whatsoever to detect their presence. If you think about it, it's no different than current scientists hiding in the woods observing wildlife from a distance using cameras, telephoto lenses, etc.
    This would explain the tall thing in the man-suit that keeps standing my yard and watching my house at night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oSuJeff97 View Post
    Haha... well that actually sort of plays into the third bullet.... the idea being that an advanced civilization that has reached the point of faster-than-light travel would be so ridiculously far ahead of us, technology-wise, that they could literally be here, walking among us, observing us, etc., with us having no way whatsoever to detect their presence. If you think about it, it's no different than current scientists hiding in the woods observing wildlife from a distance using cameras, telephoto lenses, etc.
    Why would they be here? What's so special about us? The galaxy is a big place and we're kind of out of the way, out in the boondocks, so to speak. How would anyone know about us?

    Since we started broadcasting radio waves, this is how far they've traveled:



    Any civilization so far advanced wouldn't have any use for us other than observation and study. They would have access to resources beyond our ability to comprehend. What? Do they want our gold and diamonds? Unless they consider us a culinary delicacy there would be no good reason to pay much attention to us at all even in the incredibly remote chance that they would notice us in the first place.

    God, we can be so full of ourselves.

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    ^^^

    Well exactly. That would be an excellent response to the Fermi Paradox.

    But I would say that any advanced civilization that has reached the point of interstellar travel, perhaps with faster-than-light capability, would very likely not need our radio broadcasts to detect us.

    We already have have the ability to detect planets within habitable zones of distant stars with our observation equipment. An advanced civilization hundreds, thousands or even millions of years ahead of us would surely be able to detect and observe planets in habitable zones of stars with much greater accuracy and detail than we could possibly imagine. In fact, they may be able to do so without the risk of interstellar travel so that would be another answer to the Fermi paradox. And that would go to your "observation and study" point... yeah... I think that would likely be an advanced civilization's most likely "use" for us at this point, not unlike how scientists on Earth study other animals, insects, etc.

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    All that space out there. Yeah, there's someone else out there too. We may never know, but to think we're all that there is floating out in all of that is pure foolishness. I'm not saying they've been here, but we're not alone in all of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhatTheBuck View Post
    Unless they consider us a culinary delicacy there would be no good reason to pay much attention to us at all even in the incredibly remote chance that they would notice us in the first place.

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    Plenty of low probability events would make a big $#@!ing dent in the world's population. If enough dice are rolling at some point you are gonna get all 6s


    density dependent population variables (disease) + global transport (air travel) = one big ass plague (not a matter of if, just a matter of when)

    decent sized solar event (again not if, but when)

    Asteroid impact

    Religous nutjob nuking the planet for his god

    Personally, I am most worried about ocean's collapsing... then we all proper $#@!ed. Wow, this is a fun thread huh guys?!


    Great video on Fermi
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    Supervolcano is my personal favorite. Kind of hard to picture large mammals like us surviving that one, but we've pulled it off before, so who knows?

    Magnetic poles flipping is a cool one to map out on $#@!tail napkins, too.

    More likely, in my mind, though, is the collapse of coastal infrastructure due to subsidence, leading to a social breakdown which then devolves into all out civil war in the formerly industrialized, now dystopic West.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walden Ponderer View Post
    Supervolcano is my personal favorite. Kind of hard to picture large mammals like us surviving that one, but we've pulled it off before, so who knows?
    This would certainly put a damper on things. Especially if it were yellowstone.



    Quote Originally Posted by Walden Ponderer View Post
    Magnetic poles flipping is a cool one to map out on $#@!tail napkins, too.
    A pole shift would be quite a bitch if the science behind such an event is even close to accurate. Not easy, but possibly a little better chance to survive than the super volcano. Just like the super volcano, pole shifts have been found to have happened in the past as well.

    Between the two, I'm not sure which one is more likely to happen first. If I had to take a guess it would be a pole shift as we seem closer to the average occurrence of that than the super volcano. Doesn't mean it's tomorrow, but speaking in the scope of the earths entire timeline we are getting pretty damn close to the average of when each has happened in the past. (Like within thousands of years, so long for us but not so much in the big picture.) Could be in our lifetime, could be in 20 lifetimes. Could be 100 lifetimes. Not like this $#@! runs on a clock-like schedule by our comprehension of time.

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    ^^^

    Well exactly. That would be an excellent response to the Fermi Paradox.

    But I would say that any advanced civilization that has reached the point of interstellar travel, perhaps with faster-than-light capability, would very likely not need our radio broadcasts to detect us.

    We already have have the ability to detect planets within habitable zones of distant stars with our observation equipment. An advanced civilization hundreds, thousands or even millions of years ahead of us would surely be able to detect and observe planets in habitable zones of stars with much greater accuracy and detail than we could possibly imagine. In fact, they may be able to do so without the risk of interstellar travel so that would be another answer to the Fermi paradox. And that would go to your "observation and study" point... yeah... I think that would likely be an advanced civilization's most likely "use" for us at this point, not unlike how scientists on Earth study other animals, insects, etc.
    Detecting our transmissions would be the easiest way of detecting us. That's like us calling out to the cosmos to announce our presence. Otherwise they'd have to look for us star by star, planet by planet. That's like looking for one specific grain of sand in the Sahara. If they exist then there are probably many civilizations more or less as advanced as ours that they would find before they found us.

    You have to consider the enormity of space-time and our tiny existence within it. Let's assume this advanced civilization "exists" (present tense) somewhere. Let's assume they have the technology to transport instantaneously anywhere in space. It doesn't change the speed of light. Suppose they're here watching us right now. How and from where did they first observe us? However they managed to detect us would be limited by the speed of light. The observable universe is roughly 93 billion light years in diameter. Anyone looking in our direction from more than 4.5 billion light years away wouldn't even see our planet because it hadn't formed yet when whatever waves/particles they're observing were created. Residents of the Andromeda Galaxy looking at us right now are seeing Earth as it was 2.5 million years ago.

    Even if a species could travel anywhere instantaneously, it doesn't change the fact that when we observe other galaxies/stars/planets, we're looking backward in time. If an advanced civilization from more than 100,000 light years away noticed life on our planet and transported here today, they would be surprised by the existence of humans. If they came from more than 6,000 light years away, they'd be surprised by our cities and agriculture and huge population. If that civilization evolved anywhere outside the Milky Way then their presence here would be strictly by random chance. (Unless they were the ones who seeded life on this planet to begin with.)

    We're discussing the possibility of the evolution of this advanced species in a thread about the doubt of our own ability as a species to do the same. It's certainly possible that the evolution of consciousness ultimately leads to the extinction of the species. Maybe this hypothetical species has already existed and died off. Given the age and size of the universe I think it's probable that conscious species have evolved at any number of times throughout the cosmos no matter how remotely improbable. But for two to meet, they have to be in some proximity in terms of both space and time. In cosmological terms we humans have existed for barely a fraction of a second. And all we've done of interest is to harvest nuclear energy, put a man on the moon, and send some probes to other planets and even sent one out of our puny solar system. We're just not that interesting and the chances of anyone else satisfying the criteria of existing, noticing us, and caring enough to watch us without destroying us and taking all our resources are impossibly remote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FredtheMonkey View Post
    We need to start a Galaxy realignment thread.


    ...and hire a rocketeer to fly a "Pluto is not our standard!" banner?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FredtheMonkey View Post
    We need to start a Galaxy realignment thread.
    Oh, great. You realize BYU already has their own planet, right? That's just trouble, right there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhatTheBuck View Post
    Detecting our transmissions would be the easiest way of detecting us. That's like us calling out to the cosmos to announce our presence. Otherwise they'd have to look for us star by star, planet by planet. That's like looking for one specific grain of sand in the Sahara. If they exist then there are probably many civilizations more or less as advanced as ours that they would find before they found us.

    You have to consider the enormity of space-time and our tiny existence within it. Let's assume this advanced civilization "exists" (present tense) somewhere. Let's assume they have the technology to transport instantaneously anywhere in space. It doesn't change the speed of light. Suppose they're here watching us right now. How and from where did they first observe us? However they managed to detect us would be limited by the speed of light. The observable universe is roughly 93 billion light years in diameter. Anyone looking in our direction from more than 4.5 billion light years away wouldn't even see our planet because it hadn't formed yet when whatever waves/particles they're observing were created. Residents of the Andromeda Galaxy looking at us right now are seeing Earth as it was 2.5 million years ago.

    Even if a species could travel anywhere instantaneously, it doesn't change the fact that when we observe other galaxies/stars/planets, we're looking backward in time. If an advanced civilization from more than 100,000 light years away noticed life on our planet and transported here today, they would be surprised by the existence of humans. If they came from more than 6,000 light years away, they'd be surprised by our cities and agriculture and huge population. If that civilization evolved anywhere outside the Milky Way then their presence here would be strictly by random chance. (Unless they were the ones who seeded life on this planet to begin with.)

    We're discussing the possibility of the evolution of this advanced species in a thread about the doubt of our own ability as a species to do the same. It's certainly possible that the evolution of consciousness ultimately leads to the extinction of the species. Maybe this hypothetical species has already existed and died off. Given the age and size of the universe I think it's probable that conscious species have evolved at any number of times throughout the cosmos no matter how remotely improbable. But for two to meet, they have to be in some proximity in terms of both space and time. In cosmological terms we humans have existed for barely a fraction of a second. And all we've done of interest is to harvest nuclear energy, put a man on the moon, and send some probes to other planets and even sent one out of our puny solar system. We're just not that interesting and the chances of anyone else satisfying the criteria of existing, noticing us, and caring enough to watch us without destroying us and taking all our resources are impossibly remote.
    All it takes is one to stumble upon us. You can't talk about the vastness of the universe and at the same time assume that only one civilization is out there possibly looking for others. The more we learn about space, the more we find that potentially habitable planets are not uncommon. Which means that it is much more likely that the universe is populated with intelligent life capable of looking for other life forms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NotActuallyALonghorn View Post
    All it takes is one to stumble upon us. You can't talk about the vastness of the universe and at the same time assume that only one civilization is out there possibly looking for others. The more we learn about space, the more we find that potentially habitable planets are not uncommon. Which means that it is much more likely that the universe is populated with intelligent life capable of looking for other life forms.
    Yes, but as noted above, unless there is something fundamental about the nature of reality that we do not know, the most likely limit on potential range of access is something less than the speed of light; given that constraint, any intelligent seekers have to already be in a pretty small quadrant of the universe in order to be even potentially aware of us. They may be out there, but if they are, the odds of them knowing that we are, too, are almost negligible.

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    Doomsday clock moves up 30 seconds and is closer to midnight than any time since 1953.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...rump/97077736/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walden Ponderer View Post
    Yes, but as noted above, unless there is something fundamental about the nature of reality that we do not know, the most likely limit on potential range of access is something less than the speed of light; given that constraint, any intelligent seekers have to already be in a pretty small quadrant of the universe in order to be even potentially aware of us. They may be out there, but if they are, the odds of them knowing that we are, too, are almost negligible.
    Quote Originally Posted by Henry VIII View Post
    Doomsday clock moves up 30 seconds and is closer to midnight than any time since 1953.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...rump/97077736/
    Yeah the response to the Fermi paradox that always seemed most reasonable to me was that intelligent civilizations tend to destroy themselves... probably within a few hundred years (or less) of harnessing the power of the atom. Even if they don't completely wipe themselves out, in terms of extinction, they probably can do enough damage to make it where technology can never advance beyond a certain point.

    In a way, this is probably a check on destructive growth in the same way that natural forest fires are. Because although space is really, really big, you could see how exponential growth of intelligent civilizations with faster-than-light travel could shrink it down pretty quickly.... especially if there are (relatively) few planets within habitable zone of stable, main sequence stars.
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    I maintain that life is not a natural outcome of the Universe and that it's an oddity and exceedingly rare, complex life much rarer still. Add to that the time dimension, natural extinction rates, and distances involved and it's likely we will never encounter another advanced civilization in our existence. either as humans or to whatever species or artificial intelligence we evolve into.

    Since we are the only advanced species we've ever encountered, i think it's silly and presumptuous to say that the likely outcome of of advanced species is self-destruction.

    Edit: By 'natural' I don't necessarily mean divinely inspired. I just mean that many worlds could have early stages like the Earth and never produce life, much less complicated life.
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    I subscribe to the theory that aliens are just our future selves that have figured out time travel and are coming back to our time. I have no idea if any of that is feasible or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChickenNuggets View Post
    I maintain that life is not a natural outcome of the Universe and that it's an oddity and exceedingly rare, complex life much rarer still. Add to that the time dimension, natural extinction rates, and distances involved and it's likely we will never encounter another advanced civilization in our existence. either as humans or to whatever species or artificial intelligence we evolve into.

    Since we are the only advanced species we've ever encountered, i think it's silly and presumptuous to say that the likely outcome of of advanced species is self-destruction.

    Edit: By 'natural' I don't necessarily mean divinely inspired. I just mean that many worlds could have early stages like the Earth and never produce life, much less complicated life.
    I see no reason why life wouldn't be the natural state of things when the conditions are right. The elements are all extremely common. Water is extremely common.

    I expect that advanced life is extremely rare. Extinction events, self destruction, a lack of intelligence, lack of sufficient resources, all make it highly unlikely for life to advance to a civilization that has the capacity for exploration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heso View Post
    I see no reason why life wouldn't be the natural state of things when the conditions are right. The elements are all extremely common. Water is extremely common.

    I expect that advanced life is extremely rare. Extinction events, self destruction, a lack of intelligence, lack of sufficient resources, all make it highly unlikely for life to advance to a civilization that has the capacity for exploration.
    Yeah and doesn't our very existence show that life is, in fact, a "natural" outcome? It may be rare, but it's still "natural."

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    Quote Originally Posted by oSuJeff97 View Post
    Yeah and doesn't our very existence show that life is, in fact, a "natural" outcome? It may be rare, but it's still "natural."
    I tried to define my poor word choice... Natural meaning that no where is it said that the intended outcome of the progression or evolution of the universe is to produce sentient life.

    Just cause the universe is 14 billion years old doesn't in itself justify the belief that life is out there simply cause it exists on a planet that is only 4.5 billion years old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heso View Post
    I see no reason why life wouldn't be the natural state of things when the conditions are right. The elements are all extremely common. Water is extremely common.

    I expect that advanced life is extremely rare. Extinction events, self destruction, a lack of intelligence, lack of sufficient resources, all make it highly unlikely for life to advance to a civilization that has the capacity for exploration.
    I would add to your list competition. I think once we hit a certain point, there was no chance another species on this planet was going to become extremely advanced. No way we're letting the dolphins or elephants take over at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ut_ob1 View Post
    I would add to your list competition. I think once we hit a certain point, there was no chance another species on this planet was going to become extremely advanced. No way we're letting the dolphins or elephants take over at this point.
    Mammals are only around today because a meteor killed the dinosaurs... and back then the only mammals were little rodent looking things. Plus, dolphins don't have opposable thumbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChickenNuggets View Post
    Mammals are only around today because a meteor killed the dinosaurs... and back then the only mammals were little rodent looking things. Plus, dolphins don't have opposable thumbs.
    Also, the dolphins have that stupid squeaky language, no body wants to listen to that $#@!.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Drummond View Post
    Also, the dolphins have that stupid squeaky language, no body wants to listen to that $#@!.
    Yeah. $#@! those $#@!s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Drummond View Post
    Also, the dolphins have that stupid squeaky language, no body wants to listen to that $#@!.

    So long and thanks for all the fish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChickenNuggets View Post
    I tried to define my poor word choice... Natural meaning that no where is it said that the intended outcome of the progression or evolution of the universe is to produce sentient life.

    Just cause the universe is 14 billion years old doesn't in itself justify the belief that life is out there simply cause it exists on a planet that is only 4.5 billion years old.
    Life on earth started to appear as early as 200-400 million yrs after the planet cooled. That's pretty quick. Think about the enormity of our galaxy with hundreds of billions of stars. Let's say ~1/3 of those are not binary systems so could theoretically have stable habitable zone orbits and maybe exclude red dwarfs which are extremely common but may not be able to support life. Doing this only in terms of life as we know it, you're still left with billions of stars. Then gazing out at the observable universe and being able to observe over 100 billion more galaxies. No matter how remote the math, it seems pretty damn likely there is other life in the universe. And that's without extending this to an expectation of an infinite universe and infinite versions of that universe. I think life is quite common. Intelligent life is very rare. But on cosmic scales, the rarity would still lead to other intelligent life. So time is a component. But the enormity of the stage combined with it makes it probable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChickenNuggets View Post
    I maintain that life is not a natural outcome of the Universe and that it's an oddity and exceedingly rare, complex life much rarer still. Add to that the time dimension, natural extinction rates, and distances involved and it's likely we will never encounter another advanced civilization in our existence. either as humans or to whatever species or artificial intelligence we evolve into.

    Since we are the only advanced species we've ever encountered, i think it's silly and presumptuous to say that the likely outcome of of advanced species is self-destruction.

    Edit: By 'natural' I don't necessarily mean divinely inspired. I just mean that many worlds could have early stages like the Earth and never produce life, much less complicated life.

    So rare and beautiful!

    I think once we know what we are looking for and have good tools to find them, we are going to see life all over the universe. There are still complex animals on earth we haven't found. It's sheer arrogance/ignorance to think complex life only exists on earth. Hell, we don't even know what 75% of the universe is or how to detect it, nevermind examine it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loco View Post
    It's sheer arrogance/ignorance to think complex life only exists on earth.
    Ignorance is either being unfamiliar with, or intentionally disregarding, empirical evidence. There is no evidence of sentient life existing anywhere other than Earth. And with a sample size of only 1, thereís no reason to assume there is or isnít intelligent life elsewhere.

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