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    Quote Originally Posted by neonmoon44 View Post
    Does CNN have to censor their "fake news"? I know CNN is not Breitbart level bad, but it's a scale of $#@!.

    CNN style news.

    KKK endorses Trump. Is Trump a racist? Panel of 8 people with 7 of them saying Trump is probably a racist.

    Mutliple organizations donating money to Clinton with heavy ties to Terrorism. Do we hear a "Clinton is funded by terrorist" hyperbole argument, we don't even hear about it.

    While it's not eactly fake news, it's not exaclty real news either.
    CNN isn't any sort of "news". Neither is Fox or MSNBC. It's infotainment, pure and simple.

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    My mind immediately jumped to the "New Study Finds Household Herb can Cure Diabetes" style of fake news. I would support dropping that stuff.

    There are political fake news sites out there, but I wouldn't throw HuffPo or Breitbart in that category. Dishonestly slanted and fake are two different things.
    Last edited by The Missing Link; 11-17-2016 at 10:52 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BA93 View Post
    That's a strong "paraphrase" that you must have gotten from a FB post. That's not what they said.
    They can't even get their apologies right without an edit:

    http://nypost.com/2016/11/15/new-yor...pology-letter/

    The New York Times is a little less fair today.

    The newspaper’s executive editor and publisher famously penned a post-election letter to their readers on Nov. 11 that promised to “rededicate ourselves” to good journalism — while insisting the Times “reported on both candidates fairly during the presidential campaign.”

    The “fairly” line stood out because many readers felt news stories in the newspaper run by Executive Editor Dean Baquet and Publisher Arthur “Pinch” Sulzberger Jr. were decidedly favorable to Hillary Clinton and biased against Donald Trump.

    Both Baquet and Sulzberger took heat for that line.

    Well, that sentence — “We believe we reported on both candidates fairly during the presidential campaign.” — has been scrubbed from the current “To Our Readers” letter on the Times’ website.

    It appears to be the only line edited from the 240-word letter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Missing Link View Post
    My mind immediately jumped to the "New Study Finds Household Herb can Cure Diabetes" style of fake news.

    There are political fake news sites out there, but I wouldn't throw HuffPo or Breitbart in that category. Dishonestly slanted and fake are two different things.
    Well said. That is a good observation.

    But it is still a slippery slope, especially when the curators of these websites have such clear and crisp political inclinations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Missing Link View Post
    My mind immediately jumped to the "New Study Finds Household Herb can Cure Diabetes" style of fake news.

    There are political fake news sites out there, but I wouldn't throw HuffPo or Breitbart in that category. Dishonestly slanted and fake are two different things.
    If breitbart puxblished the above map that looks to show that only a few counties went blue with the election (west and east coast) than that is fake.

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    Uh-oh, Snowden isn't drinking the zuckerberg koolaid.

    Edward Snowden Warns Against Relying On Facebook For News
    [Mary Pascaline]
    Mary PascalineNovember 17, 2016

    NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden said Tuesday the degree to which people rely on Facebook for their news is dangerous. He also expressed doubt at Americans falling so hard for fake news that it would influence their vote.

    Snowden’s comments come at a time when Mark Zuckerberg’s social networking site is being blamed for influencing the outcome of the U.S. presidential election. During the 2016 race, Facebook failed to censor the trove of fake news articles that were doing the rounds on the site.

    “I think that’s a very sad indictment of our democracy, that our voters could be so easily misled. But were it true, and there is some evidence that it may be, this gets into a bigger challenge,” Snowden said at Fusion’s Real Future Fair.

    “When you get a Google in place, a Facebook in place, a Twitter in place, they never seem to leave,” he told Real Future Editor Kashmir Hill. “When one service provider makes a bad decision we all suffer for it… The Silicon Valley desire for massive, world-eating services, the scale that takes over not only our country but all others, it’s asking us to accept a status quo where we set aside that competition in favor of scale. We should be particularly cautious about embracing this and taking this to be the case.”

    Snowden, who has been living in exile in Moscow since 2013, attended the conference via a telepresence robot. “We have one company that has the ability to reshape the way we think. I don’t think I need to describe how dangerous that is,” the former NSA contractor said.

    Zuckerberg said last week there was a very small amount of fake news on Facebook and the notion that fake news influenced the election in any way “is a pretty crazy” one.

    The Facebook CEO lashed out at critics again Sunday saying: “Of all the content on Facebook, more than 99% of what people see is authentic. Only a very small amount is fake news and hoaxes. The hoaxes that do exist are not limited to one partisan view, or even to politics. Overall, this makes it extremely unlikely hoaxes changed the outcome of this election in one direction or the other.”

    A BuzzFeed analysis found that in the last three months of the 2016 race, “the top-performing fake election news stories on Facebook generated more engagement than the top stories from major news outlets such as the New York Times, Washington Post, Huffington Post, NBC News, and others.”

    “I’m troubled that Facebook is doing so little to combat fake news,” Brendan Nyhan, a political science professor at Dartmouth College, told BuzzFeed. “Even if they did not swing the election, the evidence is clear that bogus stories have incredible reach on the network. Facebook should be fighting misinformation, not amplifying it.”

    Snowden said Tuesday readers have given Facebook too much power over what they consume. “This gets into a bigger challenge which is the lack of competition, the fact that there seems to be no alternative to the largest services,” he said. “Once [companies] have gotten so big that no one can stop them…they get less careful.”
    https://ca.news.yahoo.com/edward-sno...092615819.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Missing Link View Post
    My mind immediately jumped to the "New Study Finds Household Herb can Cure Diabetes" style of fake news. I would support dropping that stuff.

    There are political fake news sites out there, but I wouldn't throw HuffPo or Breitbart in that category. Dishonestly slanted and fake are two different things.
    I agree. Regardless of my earlier example, I do not think left/right leaning sites like HuffPo or Breitbart are who Facebook need to be targeting. It's the outright made-up $#@!.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BA93 View Post
    If breitbart puxblished the above map that looks to show that only a few counties went blue with the election (west and east coast) than that is fake.


    It was of poor quality. It was clearly designed to be provocative in a partisan way. The map on the left does not appear to be a map of counties, specifically, while the one on the right does. In fact, it is not clear to me exactly what the map on the left is supposed to be representing.

    The fact is that the areas where Hillary Clinton's dominated were very largely on the coasts, in certain large urban areas. As a result, the map on the left is not "Fake," it is just very partisan, rather sloppily done and probably not as accurate as it could be, depending on exactly what it is that they are trying to show.

    Now an article that proclaims that Hillary Clinton is pregnant with the spawn of a space alien, that would be "Fake News" as there is no basis behind such a report at all.
    Last edited by Spartacus; 11-17-2016 at 11:02 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuckie Finster View Post
    I agree. Regardless of my earlier example, I do not think left/right leaning sites like HuffPo or Breitbart are who Facebook need to be targeting. It's the outright made-up $#@!.
    Facebook has the power to force news sites from fake news. They can never control it 100% but if they went to breitbart or HuffPost and told them to cut it out or they would eliminate all links to either news sites, both sites would shape up over night. They would have no choice. Without facebook, they would lose __% of their page views. I don't know that percentage but I would assume it is substantial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FondrenRoad View Post
    Companies can do what they want. A conservative entrepreneur is free to start social media or search competitors. .
    [somebodyplease]Agreed]/shootme]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus View Post


    It was of poor quality. It was clearly designed to be provocative in a partisan way. The map on the left does not appear to be a map of counties, specifically, while the one on the right does. In fact, it is not clear to me exactly what the map on the left is supposed to be representing.

    The fact is that the areas where Hillary Clinton's dominated were very largely on the coasts, in certain large urban areas. As a result, the map on the left is not "Fake," it is just very partisan, rather sloppily done and probably not as accurate as it could be, depending on exactly what it is that they are trying to show.

    Now an article that proclaims that Hillary Clinton is pregnant with the spawn of a space alien, that would be "Fake News" as there is no basis behind such a report at all.
    If that is the headline and that is the map under the headline, the casual observer believes that Hillary won a few counties or areas. And that 99% of the Us counties or areas voted trump with the majority. Intentionally misleading someone is straddling the line of an outright lie. So I disagree with you in categorizing that as just partisan.

    And if you show me a similar liberal misleading statement I will condemn that. It's wrong for journalist or people that resemble journalist to lie or mislead.

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    The answer to false political speech is more political speech. Or something like that... let the 'news' do what they want. I trust 300 million individuals to make the right decision more so than 4-5 social media conglomerates when it comes to distinguishing fact, from fiction, from opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus View Post
    Now an article that proclaims that Hillary Clinton is pregnant with the spawn of a space alien, that would be "Fake News" as there is no basis behind such a report at all.
    Are you sure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TOR View Post
    I love that Bannon is going to be in the WH. Drives all you lefties to distraction.
    That is such a succinct representation of what drives so many rightists and why so many rational conservatives are in the cold.

    Victory = Real or imagined libtard outrage

    Hell of a political philosophy you got there, podnuh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Armybrat View Post
    Are you sure?
    I am willing to step out on a limb on this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BA93 View Post
    If that is the headline and that is the map under the headline, the casual observer believes that Hillary won a few counties or areas. And that 99% of the Us counties or areas voted trump with the majority. Intentionally misleading someone is straddling the line of an outright lie. So I disagree with you in categorizing that as just partisan.

    And if you show me a similar liberal misleading statement I will condemn that. It's wrong for journalist or people that resemble journalist to lie or mislead.
    When they all came out a few months before the 2012 elections and helped promote the lie that the Benghazi massacre was motivated by a Youtube video. That was a lie right from the jump and everyone but the most hardened, blatantly dishonest Obamabots knew it and said so.

    And it is not at all clear that the map on the left is supposed to be a map of "counties".
    Last edited by Spartacus; 11-17-2016 at 11:14 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChickenNuggets View Post
    The answer to false political speech is more political speech. Or something like that... let the 'news' do what they want. I trust 300 million individuals to make the right decision more so than 4-5 social media conglomerates when it comes to distinguishing fact, from fiction, from opinion.
    Funny/scary

    Let's have a vote on what the truth is. Earth is flat. Jews have tails. Negroes are inferior. Poseidon causes earthquakes. Hillary is a murderess. Voting on facts is an effective way to truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RomaVicta View Post
    That is such a succinct representation of what drives so many rightists and why so many rational conservatives are in the cold.

    Victory = Real or imagined libtard outrage

    Hell of a political philosophy you got there, podnuh.
    Liberal tears are part of my spirit dinner recipe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChickenNuggets View Post
    I trust 300 million individuals to make the right decision more so than 4-5 social media conglomerates when it comes to distinguishing fact, from fiction, from opinion.
    You've got more faith in your fellow man than I do.

    http://literallyunbelievable.org/

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    Quote Originally Posted by RomaVicta View Post
    Funny/scary

    Let's have a vote on what the truth is. Earth is flat. Jews have tails. Negroes are inferior. Poseidon causes earthquakes. Hillary is a murderess. Voting on facts is an effective way to truth.
    That's kind of the point. I don't want to be subjugated to your delusions should your band of idiots win an election. Winning an election shouldn't determine "truth" and neither should Mark Zuckerberg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus View Post
    When they all came out a few months before the 2012 elections and helped promote the lie that the Benghazi massacre was motivated by a Youtube video. That was a lie right from the jump and everyone but the most hardened, blatantly dishonest Obamabots knew it and said so.

    And it is not at all clear that the map on the left is supposed to be a map of "counties".
    When the Benghazi attack occurred, I had no idea of the reasons behind the attack. Present the stories that show the lies, and I will condemn. Why are you making this political? I'm saying that left leaning sites mislead as well. Why can't you agree the other direction. $#@!.

    And that map is attempting to make the viewer believe that only a few areas went blue last week. If you want to say it doesn't represent counties. Ok whatever. Maybe the average Facebook user is very familiar with the county shapes in the US. I'm not. The headlines says trump won a majority in the heartland, which is an undefinable region. Then they show a map that is overwhelming red when red represents the GOP.

    You tell me. What does that map represent?

    If you want to say the map in no represents a trump 99 percent victory, I guess we have to agree to disagree .

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    Quote Originally Posted by BA93 View Post
    When the Benghazi attack occurred, I had no idea of the reasons behind the attack. Present the stories that show the lies, and I will condemn. Why are you making this political? I'm saying that left leaning sites mislead as well. Why can't you agree the other direction. $#@!.

    And that map is attempting to make the viewer believe that only a few areas went blue last week. If you want to say it doesn't represent counties. Ok whatever. Maybe the average Facebook user is very familiar with the county shapes in the US. I'm not. The headlines says trump won a majority in the heartland, which is an undefinable region. Then they show a map that is overwhelming red when red represents the GOP.

    You tell me. What does that map represent?

    If you want to say the map in no represents a trump 99 percent victory, I guess we have to agree to disagree .
    I don't know what that map represents, but it is clearly a piece of sloppy partisan spin. However, it is not entirely without basis.

    Briebart does publish "Fake News," but the map on the left is not an example of that. So does the Huffington Post.

    If you think the map on the left is a good example of "Fake News," that would be a good reason to make sure that none of these companies engages in the suppression of "Fake News," as that would clearly be engaged a partisan censorship exercise, given your idea of what constitutes "Fake News".

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSA View Post
    That's kind of the point. I don't want to be subjugated to your delusions should your band of idiots win an election. Winning an election shouldn't determine "truth" and neither should Mark Zuckerberg.
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    Maybe better thread title:

    Should I apologize for partisan "Fake News" if it supports my side?

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    The way to supress fake news is for everybody to not be a sucker and don't click on bull$#@!.

    For example, these teenagers from the former Yugoslavia who realized there was a fertile market in Trump news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tantric superman View Post
    Everyone is in the same company in terms of making mistakes. Media, individuals, corporations.

    The issue is whether they have, throughout their history/life established some level of credibility.

    People have to separate fact from opinion (you seem to be rejecting people's ability to do so) and then decide what sources are the most credible.

    The modern twitter world we live in allows more people to claim that the NYT is in the "same company" with sources that are routinely not credible.

    Critical thinking allows one to make better than average assessments of credibility.

    Recent problems are that newspapers and journals of record have either failed, simply aren't read, or been unfairly attacked. And that the rabble enjoy crap media, if they try to understand an issue at all.

    That has made it harder to agree on common credible sources.

    You unlikely will find a more credible source than the NYT, or the WSJ, if you read them critically.
    Credible or not they spin their stories to meet the narrative they are pushing. Suppressing negative information on their candidate is just as bad as printing false stories

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    Quote Originally Posted by G650 View Post
    CNN isn't any sort of "news". Neither is Fox or MSNBC. It's infotainment, pure and simple.
    I'd wager less then 10% of our population realizes this and that is a major problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by RomaVicta View Post
    Have a glass of champagne! "Band of Idiots." Vlad loves it!
    Shouldn't you be at your NAMBLA meeting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smax View Post
    Credible or not they spin their stories to meet the narrative they are pushing. Suppressing negative information on their candidate is just as bad as printing false stories
    Who here has advocated for suppressing negative information? Is it information if it is categorically false?

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    Quote Originally Posted by neonmoon44 View Post
    Private companies can do whatever the $#@! they want.

    don't care

    They can? really? Like refuse to bake a cake for a gay wedding? Can they refuse to do that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foosters Galore View Post
    You've got more faith in your fellow man than I do.

    http://literallyunbelievable.org/
    Lulz. Except if they agreed with your point of view you would be singing a different tune. $#@!ing hypocrites abound on the left.

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    Facebook already was suppressing real news to favor Hillary. They either need to suppress all news or no news at all.

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    Shouldn't you be at your NAMBLA meeting?
    You mad, comrade?


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    Quote Originally Posted by RockportLH View Post
    Lulz. Except if they agreed with your point of view you would be singing a different tune. $#@!ing hypocrites abound on the left.
    Jesus Christ man, lighten up. I posted a link to a website that shows people taking Onion articles at face value and you see hypocrisy in the left?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foosters Galore View Post
    Who here has advocated for suppressing negative information? Is it information if it is categorically false?
    Whoever it was I quoted

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    Quote Originally Posted by RomaVicta View Post
    You mad, comrade?
    I'm not the one that needs to clearing his browser history.

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    Should "Fake News" be surpressed on social media?

    I think Facebook can do whatever they want, but keep in mind, this stuff isn't spread because people just happen to find their stuff. It spreads because your crazy uncle shares the story with his friends. Curtailing that would be curtailing the free speech of those people, not the fake website.

    Obviously Facebook is a private company and isn't bound by first amendment considerations; all I am saying is that it's not these "websites" that are the problem, if there is a problem at all, it's the people doing the sharing.

    FWIW, personally, I learned somewhere along the way to start looking at the source domain of every crazy story I saw shared on FB. Generally speaking, you can tell pretty easily which names are "fake" - which ultimately correlated to the outrageousness of the story - and ultimately it should be up to the reader to evaluate the source of the story. A lot of people apparently don't do that.

    But I don't think Facebook should take it upon itself to decide what is reputable or true or whatever. Maybe they should do an approach similar to Google or cross-reference with Google's rankings or something like that. But simple saying, "this is fake" I think is counterproductive and ultimately unfair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crimsonlonghorn View Post
    I think Facebook can do whatever they want, but keep in mind, this stuff isn't spread because people just happen to find their stuff. It spreads because your crazy uncle shares the story with his friends. Curtailing that would be curtailing the free speech of those people, not the fake website.

    Obviously Facebook is a private company and isn't bound by first amendment considerations; all I am saying is that it's not these "websites" that are the problem, if there is a problem at all, it's the people doing the sharing.

    FWIW, personally, I learned somewhere along the way to start looking at the source domain of every crazy story I saw shared on FB. Generally speaking, you can tell pretty easily which names are "fake" - which ultimately correlated to the outrageousness of the story - and ultimately it should be up to the reader to evaluate the source of the story. A lot of people apparently don't do that.
    Facebook has nothing to do with free speech or sharing everything. If you share something, they don't present that share to everyone that is friends with you. Its not how any of it works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crimsonlonghorn View Post
    I think Facebook can do whatever they want, but keep in mind, this stuff isn't spread because people just happen to find their stuff. It spreads because your crazy uncle shares the story with his friends. Curtailing that would be curtailing the free speech of those people, not the fake website.

    Obviously Facebook is a private company and isn't bound by first amendment considerations; all I am saying is that it's not these "websites" that are the problem, if there is a problem at all, it's the people doing the sharing.

    FWIW, personally, I learned somewhere along the way to start looking at the source domain of every crazy story I saw shared on FB. Generally speaking, you can tell pretty easily which names are "fake" - which ultimately correlated to the outrageousness of the story - and ultimately it should be up to the reader to evaluate the source of the story. A lot of people apparently don't do that.
    Spot on. The only issue that FB needs to be worried about is how their actions will impact present and future earnings. IMHO, FB should allow the users to censor the information they receive and not proactively do it for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BA93 View Post
    Facebook has nothing to do with free speech or sharing everything. If you share something, they don't present that share to everyone that is friends with you. Its not how any of it works.
    Read before responding. His second paragraph covered that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSA View Post
    Read before responding. His second paragraph covered that.
    Read my second sentence before responding, comrade.

    My posts really seem to trigger you snowflake.

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    The biggest problem is that many people consider anything that doesn't confirm their own biases as fake or as having a slanted view. You can't argue with that mindset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RockportLH View Post
    Lulz. Except if they agreed with your point of view you would be singing a different tune. $#@!ing hypocrites abound on the left.
    Something about your post tells me you know lots about hypocrisy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus View Post
    When they all came out a few months before the 2012 elections and helped promote the lie that the Benghazi massacre was motivated by a Youtube video. That was a lie right from the jump and everyone but the most hardened, blatantly dishonest Obamabots knew it and said so.
    No reputable news organization would say categorically in its news pages that Benghazi was motivated by a video. They would, and did, say that Susan Rice and Hillary Clinton said that it was motivated by a video. That is a verifiable fact: people who should know what the truth is said what the motivation was. You can go back and ask them what they said; that is called attribution (and why you should be leery of anonymous sources). The news story takes no position on whether the riot was actually motivated by whatever; it simply states that that's what the authorities say. Fact. The editorial pages are a different story, but most people here don't seem to know the difference, so that's an advanced lesson.

    I can't believe you really need this to be explained to you....

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    Quote Originally Posted by CooterBrown View Post
    The biggest problem is that many people consider anything that doesn't confirm their own biases as fake or as having a slanted view. You can't argue with that mindset.
    The biggest problem is that people start multiple posts highlighting their own hypocrisy. It's a terrible waste of space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CooterBrown View Post
    The biggest problem is that many people consider anything that doesn't confirm their own biases as fake or as having a slanted view. You can't argue with that mindset.
    Definitely this is true. But there is also the point that reasonable people can agree that certain "news" is not true. Facebook can tell those companies to cut it out, and they will.

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    People are $#@!ing morons. They'll always find a way to get their fake news. Hell, CNN is fake enough these days. Slippery slope policing that $#@!.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G650 View Post
    I have massively underestimated how many people have such an abject lack of critical thinking skills.
    It's all narcissism.

    It's amazing to me how many people think consensus is an argument. Getting a bunch of people to agree with you doesn't mean that you're right. You see some false claim on an article, which links to another article with absolutely no factual support, which links to another baseless article, so on and so on.

    You burrow deeper into the rabbit hole and there's no there there. All you have is a bunch of people who agree with each other, and they love congratulating each other for how smart they are...Narcissism.

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