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    Quote Originally Posted by Duck of Death View Post
    Yup. I'm a little surprised that mo Vaughn isn't in based on having a few good years in Boston.
    Come on, dude.

    Schilling probably deserves to be in but isn't going to be close.

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    Yeah, but Schilling has decided to be an outspoken lightning rod on various issues, including political, after retirement. Like it or not (and I don't because I don't think it should have a bearing), some voters are going to hold that against him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huckleberry View Post
    Yeah, but Schilling has decided to be an outspoken lightning rod on various issues, including political, after retirement. Like it or not (and I don't because I don't think it should have a bearing), some voters are going to hold that against him.
    Especially in the north east, and especially a bunch of journalism degreed writers. If his politics tended more toward Che than reactionary he'd get more votes IMO.

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    Through 75 public votes Bagwell at 90%

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    Quote Originally Posted by UTPhil2006 View Post
    Through 75 public votes Bagwell at 90%
    Good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duck of Death View Post
    Yup. I'm a little surprised that mo Vaughn isn't in based on having a few good years in Boston.
    And Mike Greenwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by WBT View Post
    And Mike Greenwell
    The Gator! I foolishly invested in his baseball cards as a 12ish year old in 1988 thinking he was the next big thing. Don't forget Sam Horn and Ellis Burks. Can't believe they aren't in either...

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    Ellis Burks is from everman. True story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UTPhil2006 View Post
    Through 75 public votes Bagwell at 90%
    I hope he gets in this year along with Wagner

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    Wagner ain't getting in

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    Quote Originally Posted by gatchaman View Post
    I hope he gets in this year along with Wagner
    Looking like Bagwell, Raines, and maybe Pudge

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    Bagwell and pudge means there could be a rangers/astros slapfest in cooperstown

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    Pudge ain't getting in first ballot. It will settle around 65-70 percent for him and he will sail in between 80-85 next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duck of Death View Post
    Bagwell and pudge means there could be a rangers/astros slapfest in cooperstown
    Pudge will go in with a tigers cap, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WBT View Post
    Pudge will go in with a tigers cap, no?
    Probably Florida, where he won his championship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulaw Horn View Post
    Pudge ain't getting in first ballot. It will settle around 65-70 percent for him and he will sail in between 80-85 next year.
    i can see that and would probably agree with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scraps View Post
    Wagner ain't getting in
    Probably not this year. Tough for relievers to get in period. But if you look at his stats, especially ERA and K/IP, he should be considered one of the best if not the best left handed closer.

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    Lidge should go in with an Astros hat. Makes almost as much sense as Nolan wearing a Rangers hat.

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    Going out on a limb and assuming you mean pudge and not lidge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beau Vine View Post
    Thomas was maybe the most outspoken player in the game against steroids while he was playing.

    I will also never forget seeing Frank Thomas in Sarasota in spring training before he made the majors. He was literally three feet away from me and I thought, "That is the biggest baseball player I have ever seen in my life."
    Frank Thomas was a big human being. he didn't need to roid. probably would have been worse for him if he did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulaw Horn View Post
    Lidge should go in with an Astros hat. Makes almost as much sense as Nolan wearing a Rangers hat.

    Lidge goes in with a Pujols cap.
    Last edited by Surly Bevo; 12-22-2016 at 11:22 PM.

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    I hope Vlad gets in. no stink at all of steroids. dude was a monster at the plate. he "only" played 15 years. all the juicers extended their careers. he could be this generations Jim Rice.

    I'm on the fence on bagwell but I think he should be in. he has the same type of steroid rumors as pudge.

    If we are going to start letting in definite steroid guys. I'd go with Bonds and Clemens but Sosa, McGwire are no go's.

    not a fan of guys who mainly played DH and Relievers

    one more for Tim Raines. can we get an Expo hat in the HOF?

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    Jim rice, huh. Who'd he play for again?

    Kidding. After perusing his bio, I'm wondering why it took him 15 years to make it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duck of Death View Post
    Jim rice, huh. Who'd he play for again?

    Kidding. After perusing his bio, I'm wondering why it took him 15 years to make it.
    he's an interesting case for timing.

    surly with the media but didn't make the magical 400 HR mark guys(OF,1B,etc) of his vintage generally needed. the only others of his time or before, that hit 400HR's, that haven't made it are Darrell Evans and Dave Kingman.

    by the time he was eligible the voters were seeing that 400 HR's wasn't going to be a big deal in the future.

    funny thing is if he would have played one more year hit 18 HR's and had a career batting average 2 points higher he probably gets in within the first 2 to 3 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surly Bevo View Post
    Lidge goes in with a Pujols cap.
    Ha bi meant Pudge. Damn autocorrect. But that's funny.

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    Pudge is going in this year and with a Rangers cap. 13 seasons with the Rangers and works for them now. To think he would go with a Tigers or Florida cap is ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcar00 View Post
    he's an interesting case for timing.

    surly with the media but didn't make the magical 400 HR mark guys(OF,1B,etc) of his vintage generally needed. the only others of his time or before, that hit 400HR's, that haven't made it are Darrell Evans and Dave Kingman.

    by the time he was eligible the voters were seeing that 400 HR's wasn't going to be a big deal in the future.

    funny thing is if he would have played one more year hit 18 HR's and had a career batting average 2 points higher he probably gets in within the first 2 to 3 years.
    I thought rices career was more like kingmans,but I checked his wiki to make sure he played for Boston before making that Boston quip and read his stats and was very impressed at his all around offensive game. Hell of an outfield that must have been with him and Dewey and Freddie. Just a few years before I can remember watching baseball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rw'z28 View Post
    Pudge is going in this year and with a Rangers cap. 13 seasons with the Rangers and works for them now. To think he would go with a Tigers or Florida cap is ridiculous.
    Dude, who are you arguing with? Everyone knows he will have a Rangers cap. Everyone was joking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulaw Horn View Post
    Dude, who are you arguing with? Everyone knows he will have a Rangers cap. Everyone was joking.
    my bad

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulaw Horn View Post
    Dude, who are you arguing with? Everyone knows he will have a Rangers cap. Everyone was joking.
    and here I thought the damn Yankees were getting another one with a monument part addition to boot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by petscii View Post
    I'm old. Pat Burrell made a Hall of Fame Ballot. Seems like only yesterday he was in my favorite college baseball picture of all time.

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    holy $#@!in $#@! that's funny ...

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    “I was a painfully shy kid,” Aubrey Huff said, stopping as he sensed disbelief. “No, really, I was.”…


    …So who brought him out of his shell?


    “That guy,” Huff said, pointing across the Giants clubhouse to Pat Burrell, his one-time teammate at the University of Miami.


    “When I transferred, the first guy I met was that son of a “…” Huff said. “I hadn’t met such an arrogant (jerk) in my life. I couldn’t stand him. All he did was rag on me.”


    You knew Huff’s next story about Burrell would be good. He prefaced it by saying, “Awww, I’m sure Pat won’t care if I tell this.”


    “After two weeks at Miami, I wanted to go home,” Huff said. “So my mom flies out, trying to convince me to stay. I was living with two seniors, and they ragged me, too. I just didn’t understand all this baseball ragging nonsense. She’s in my room one night and I’m sitting on my bed and she’s telling me to give it another two weeks.


    “Anyway, there’s a knock on the door, and before I can even get off the bed, Pat comes barging in with a six-pack in his hand, dripping wet, buck naked.


    “So I jumped up and shut the door. Coming from Texas, these things didn’t happen. I said, ‘See what I’m dealing with here, Mom?’


    “She just started laughing and said, ‘Actually, Aubrey, that’s pretty darn funny.’


    “I thought, ‘My God, if my mom can laugh at this, why can’t I?'”…


    As the details of Huff’s story were recited back to him recently, Burrell just closed his eyes and nodded.


    “Yeah, that’s pretty much how it happened,” he said. “I was looking for the shampoo. There wasn’t any in the shower. Obviously, I didn’t know his mom was in there.”


    Long pause.


    “I don’t know how the six-pack got in my hands.”
    Legend.

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    Ok so Bagwell is on 93% of the public ballots. That will go down as the people who don't publicize their ballots tend to not vote for near as many people, but it got me thinking...

    What's the record for highest percentage to elect a HOF who has been on the ballot 5 times or more? It'd be pretty amazing if Bagwell, on his 7th trip through the process, got elected with ~90% of the ballot. Incredible. And well deserved. He should have been a no doubt about it HOF inductee. I'd have no real complaint if it was second ballot as opposed to first, as while I think it's stupid to make a distinction between 1st ballot and 2nd ballot HOF I know it's a thing for people and I'm not going to waste my time or energy railing against all that's stupid in the world, but the fact that he's taken 7 tries to get in is absurd. It'd be cool if he was 90% when he finally did get in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulaw Horn View Post
    Ok so Bagwell is on 93% of the public ballots. That will go down as the people who don't publicize their ballots tend to not vote for near as many people, but it got me thinking...

    What's the record for highest percentage to elect a HOF who has been on the ballot 5 times or more? It'd be pretty amazing if Bagwell, on his 7th trip through the process, got elected with ~90% of the ballot. Incredible. And well deserved. He should have been a no doubt about it HOF inductee. I'd have no real complaint if it was second ballot as opposed to first, as while I think it's stupid to make a distinction between 1st ballot and 2nd ballot HOF I know it's a thing for people and I'm not going to waste my time or energy railing against all that's stupid in the world, but the fact that he's taken 7 tries to get in is absurd. It'd be cool if he was 90% when he finally did get in.
    Robbie Alomar is the only player to get 90% of the vote who wasn't a first-ballot HOFer.

    Harry Heilman received the highest percentage for a player appearing on a 5th+ ballot at 86.8%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizzou415 View Post
    Robbie Alomar is the only player to get 90% of the vote who wasn't a first-ballot HOFer.

    Harry Heilman received the highest percentage for a player appearing on a 5th+ ballot at 86.8%
    Thanks. I'm sure it won't hold but it's pretty neat to see that he's going to get in this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulaw Horn View Post
    Thanks. I'm sure it won't hold but it's pretty neat to see that he's going to get in this year.
    Yeah, if last year is any indication, he'll most likely drop into the mid/high 80s.

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    Amazing story about Vlad from ESPN.com:http://www.espn.com/blog/sweetspot/p...nd-his-numbers

    “Before an at-bat, he would just start going through the bat rack, and he would pick them up, feel them, look at the name on the bat, raise his eyebrows and nod,” Santangelo said. “One at-bat, he’d use Darrin Fletcher bat. The next one he’d use David Segui's. The next one, he’d use Mike Lansing. He would grab whatever bat, ask if he could use it, and just go up there and swing at anything.
    “We would say daily, 'How the f--- did he do that?' The guy went up, saw [the ball], swung and did damage.”
    Also, this:


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    Thanks for that link, bv. What a fun read. Hope he gets in at some point. When your peers talk about you like that, you are a HOF player.

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    Melvin Mora was robbed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spystud13 View Post




    Melvin Mora was robbed.
    Who's that moron? I can't read his printed last name any better than his signature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WBT View Post
    Who's that moron? I can't read his printed last name any better than his signature.
    He needs to be $#@! punched.

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    I see 4 of the best players I've ever seen play the game. None of them has as X.

    Delete ballot, ban voter

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    1. Bonds
    2. Clemens
    3. Manny
    4. Bagwell
    5. Pudge
    6. Rock
    7. Vlad
    8. Edgar
    9. Sosa
    10. Wagner

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fastbreak View Post
    1. Bonds
    2. Clemens
    3. Manny
    4. Bagwell
    5. Pudge
    6. Rock
    7. Vlad
    8. Edgar
    9. Sosa
    10. Wagner
    That's a great list and ranking order. I don't think I'd change a thing except maybe Edgar above Vlad but I haven't done any deep dive into the numbers. Top 8 should all be in to me. 9 and 10 marginal. Actually I think I'd have schilling in there at 9. I'd have him in if it were up to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fastbreak View Post
    1. Bonds
    2. Clemens
    3. Manny
    4. Bagwell
    5. Pudge
    6. Rock
    7. Vlad
    8. Edgar
    9. Sosa
    10. Wagner
    This is for the special PED section of the Hall right?

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    If you're ignoring PEDs and putting roger and bonds in, don't you kind of have to include Sosa as a 600 hr guy?

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