I'd have a hard time voting for any reliever except maybe for Rivera.
PED or not, Bonds was the best player I've ever seen. He was also great when he was a skinny kid.
Ballots were due 12/31, so why is there no announcement until 1/18?
Bonds power never amazed me as much as how he commanded the strike zone/plate as a hitter. Never seen anyone do it the way he did with the most controlled swing ever.
I got a chance to attend Ryan's HOF ceremony and toured the HOF before it. Sosa and McGwire got an entire area dedicated to them. They might not make get a plaque, but they got more than most. I'm surprised more people don't bring up that exhibit when knocking Selig, MLB and the HOF.
Sosa's problem is a combination of steroids and the proliferation of advanced stats.
Some old prick who thinks the world revolves around him will never let a player get in unanimously.
it's almost like saying rose got most of his hits before he started betting on games.
most of the guys taking steroids were very good players who became HOF number players. Bonds was a HOF player who took steroids and basically became the baseball version of a cyborg. he basically decided to have one mission to break the single season and career HR record and did it. He hit .370 and .362 while hitting 45 HR's. those are Babe Ruth type numbers in an era of pitching specialization like we have never seen.
almost half of all his hits were for extra bases, I couldn't find a ranking for that stat but it would be interesting to see one.
anyway, its a damn shame he did what he did.
I wish Ken Griffey Jr had been able to stay healthy it would have been nice for him to be the guy to pass Aaron. Its the one reason why I don't want Bonds/Clemens/Rodriguez in the hall. they made their choice and guys like Ken Griffey Jr should be truly celebrated like Williams, Mantle, Mays. Griffey is the best all around player of my lifetime.
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Full list, obviously Bagwell & Pudge for the Texas teams.Four teams are still not represented in Cooperstown -- at least not by the caps worn on players' Hall of Fame plaques. Three of those are expansion teams from the 1990s: the Rockies, Marlins and Rays. The fourth is the Angels, born in 1961. Nolan Ryan spent eight years with the Angels and nine with the Astros, but he wears a Rangers cap on his plaque, which leaves the Angels without a Hall of Famer. The franchise will likely have to wait for Mike Trout, assuming Vladimir Guerrero eventually goes in with an Expos cap.
That brings up a fun idea: Who is the next Hall of Famer for each team? This requires some speculation not only on who gets elected -- and what active players' final stats will be -- but also in predicting the cap. Let’s take a guess. (Note: When I mention public ballots, I’m referring to voters who have revealed their ballots, tracked here by Ryan Thibodaux.)
Funny about LAA.
Arizona Diamondbacks: Robbie Ray (2043). He didn’t seem like a future Hall of Famer when he was 14-31 after three seasons in the big leagues, but those 218 strikeouts in 174.1 innings in 2016 were the sign that he was about to break out. He finishes with 254 career wins, a Cy Young Award and three NL strikeout titles.
I thought Wade Boggs went in as a Ray.
It was in reply to spy's quote saying the Rays are unrepresented, in reference to the embarrassing rumors that he sold his plaque to the Rays.
Murray Chass, who's probably the most idiotic dinosaur of all the idiotic dinosaurs who still have HoF voting privileges, outdid himself this year -- he submitted a blank ballot:
Thibodaux added a bonus for his Twitter followers. He conducted a one-day poll on what his followers thought I would do with my ballot.“As you must know, your ballots over recent years have looked very different from the average ballot. Because of that, people who care about and follow Hall of Fame happenings as I do (far more intensely than I should, I know), do indeed care about what choices you might make when voting season rolls around.To Thibodaux’s credit, he was very respectful with his questions and comments, unlike some others I hear from. However, I did not disclose my ballot to him, telling him I might in this column. I also told him:
“You only voted for Griffey last year. There are no clear, first ballot Griffey-types this year. That leaves open the very real question of whether you might submit a blank ballot. Should anyone care? Perhaps not. But some of us do.”
“As for my HOF voting, in my first year as a voter, I voted for 10 players.” [That was and is the maximum, which some voters want the Hall to raise; why I don’t understand.] “By the time of my second vote, I realized that by voting for 10, I was saying I wanted to see 10 elected. What a horrible thought, to make people sit through 10 speeches in the hot July Cooperstown sun. I also realized that by having 10 players inducted on the same day lessened the honor for each. From then on I voted for only the players I considered the best of the elite.”How did Thibodaux’s poll turn out? These were the results from the 792 Tweeters (I myself don’t tweet, which means I can’t communicate with them or the incoming president):
Blank Ballot: 49%
1-Player Ballot: 23%
2-Player Ballot: 19%
>2-Player Ballot: 9%
For what I believe is the first time in my Hall of Fame voting history, I voted for no one, sending in an unmarked ballot, with a note saying, “This ballot is intentionally blank.”
If your point truly is "high schoolers can be roiders too," great. I wish everyone could follow a conversation long enough to know that we are talking about Frank Thomas instead of high schoolers at large, but that seems to not be the case.
For those who like MLB radio Murray Chass will be on with Casey Stern at 3pm eastern. Chass is one of the most worthless writers and hof voters around. Voted for 1 person last year and 0 this year and likes to make a statement about not voting.
Also Casey hates him so it should/hopefully be very entertaining.
However, if a voter is going to make a big deal out of steroids, I think I would prefer that they submit a completely blank ballot rather than try and guess who did and didn't juice... $#@!in' Jon Heyman.
Any player who wanted to spend the offseason in Mexico or the Dominican roiding up wasn't breaking any rules.
Likewise, possession of steroids in Canada is still legal, so if you played for the Blue Jays or Expos in the 90s, you were free to take all the steroids you wanted at home.
http://www.espn.com/espn/eticket/sto...steroids&num=3A year earlier Congress had raised penalties for possessing those and 25 other anabolics. But now the stuff violated baseball's rules, too. On June 7, 1991, commissioner Fay Vincent sent a memo to each team and the players union that stated: "The possession, sale or use of any illegal drug or controlled substance by Major League players or personnel is strictly prohibited ... This prohibition applies to all illegal drugs ... including steroids." The seven-page document didn't cover random testing -- that had to be bargained with the union -- but it did outline treatment and penalties.
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