I thought this season was pretty mediocre. My main issue is that the characters aren't very good. Joe is bad character, and poorly acted at that. He shows no emotion. Not to mention his storyline sucked. The actress who plays Julianna is much better as a 1960s San Fran hippie than she is as an undercover resistance operative going undercover to infiltrate a high ranking nazi official's family. I didn't care for Julianna last year and I feel like I dislike her more this season. John Smith, however, was the best character on the show. I thought the actor who played him was very good. I wish frank had a bigger role this season and hope he's back next season. Kito was meh. The trade minister was good though. The scenes with the guy from road trip were brutal to watch. Damn, he's a bad actor.
I'll watch next season, but I do not consider man in high castle a good show.
I thought Frank had a pretty significant role this year. Dont know how they could have increased it.
Joe Blake does flat out suck. They should just kill him off.
John Smith is, by far, the best character. Sewell has been giving emmy level performances in an otherwise poorly acted show.
Frank should be dead, but we didn't see a body.
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Agree Joe is the week link to the show. The Berlin storyline was good though.
Imagine Armie Hammer in it.
Frank will pull a Jon Snow. My guess is they want a love triangle with him, Juliana and Joe.
In that scene with Himler, Joe's dad and Smith, it totally reminded me of when Ned Stark showed Bariston Selmy the letter from Robert that Cersei then tore up. Two scenes of seizing power.
i would have enjoyed this show better if they did not have the alternate reality. it's an interesting enough topic to explore an Axis controlled America without introducing this sci-fi element...
It's not really a sci-fi element so much as the age-old metaphysical questioning of the socially constructed reality with which we've been presented. The source book was much more focused on the I-Ching and the philosophical journey of the main characters. But the world building done by Amazon is $#@!ing awesome.
Smith is the only decent charectar. I don't have enough info on the Julianna/Frank arc to care about their relationship. All I know is that she had some bus accident and he somehow saved her life. Hardly a touching love story. They have about 15 minutes of screen time together over 2 seasons.
I never read the books, so I'm not sure how faithful the show portrays them. I just think it would be so much better to explore the obvious dark themes of the Nazi's lust for power than introduce an Inception-esq story that ultimately goes nowhere. Yet, I'll keep watching in hopes that it gets more interesting.
so here is the major issue I have with the ending.
Since the Japanese didn't appear to be making headway on making even a rudimentary device like the one the Germans dropped on DC, its easy to see why the Germans would focus on quantity of weapons rather than yield. They'd get lazy because the Japanese got lazy. They could stagnate and still stay ahead.
The real headscratcher on weapons development are the Japanese. They're supposed to be in a Cold War, but haven't made any movement past WW2 tech in order to compete with the Germans. In fact, the Germans could have simply driven them into the sea with conventional weapons at any time. They're still taking ships to get to Japan rather than planes. You'd think that 20 years after WW2, they'd have some aircraft that could get the crown prince between Tokyo and SF non-stop, but they don't seem to. Even in our reality, they had bombers that could make SF with a stop at Midway, and they had already designed a bomber that could leave Northern Japan, bomb the continental USA, and land in France. It shouldn't have been hard at all to convert those to passenger use, but they didn't seem to do that. The only thing they do to improve their situation is to steal German bomb plans 20 years after the war ended.
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Maybe the Japanese are still reliant upon their famed fighting spirit, since that apparently made them victorious enough?
But yeah, this has been a head scratcher for me. Why is it when we see Germans, they're carrying around H&K MP5s from the mid/late 60s and the Japanese are still using pre-war designs? It don't make no damn sense, apart from a love of tradition.
On that same theme, everything in the American Reich seems mid-century mod with a German twist. Berlin looks like a Nazified Tomorrowland. Yet everytime you see SF, it looks like a backwater $#@!hole. Granted, we've never seen what a post-war MITHC Japanese City looks like, but still. It's as if Germany is modernizing and Japan is completely stuck in time.
I do wonder how the Germans and Japanese would even effectively spy on one another. Two cultures who believe in absolute ethnic superiority wouldn't be able to infiltrate each other. Any dissident would go to rebel groups rather than the other global power. I doubt a German would think, "I hate Nazis and their idea of ethnic superiority, so I'm going to help the Japanese come wipe most of us out and enslave the rest of us." They also wouldn't be able to get sympathizers from ethnic groups who could pass for the other because both treat everyone who isn't the same like $#@!. Their only intel would be from passive observation of consumer tech in cities with embassies.
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Lot's of mid ranking officers have risen through coups to become leaders. When thinking of a Nazi takeover of America it's easy to image the highest echelon of officers were at best retired, if not outright shot. Who's left? Also the current timeline is over 10 years after they nuked DC. Ten years is plenty of time for a Captain to rise in rank to General or the equivalent when all of the Generals have been "removed". On top of that, the Nazis aren't going to promote based on seniority alone among who's left. They want true believers at the top. As long a Smith toed the line he would have advanced even faster.
as for the H Bomb I specifically said that I understood that in this timeline, the H-Bomb might not have been invented yet, but I guarantee that the basic scientific idea would have been already known to the Germans.
Edward Teller theorized a fission/fusion based bomb in 1942 (obviously he would not have been available for the Nazis to utilize as a Hungarian Jew), but the idea wasnt a "singular moment in time" that only Edward could have figured out.
however, its live construct would have been much more revolutionary. and hence the initial shock shown by Himmler.
I want people to start calling me ober manager ob1
I like the premise but I'm in 4 episodes of season 1 and not really enjoying it that much. Should I skip to season 2 or give it more time?
I'm in Season 2 now, had 1 playing in the background during the day just so I wouldn't miss any key parts. Completely into the idea, just seems like a $#@!in soap opera to this point, and I hate $#@!in soap operas.
If you can accept Brad Pitt as a 51 year old S/Sgt. in "Fury", you can accept that Capt. John Smith made it up to 0-8 in 17 years with some luck and dedication (helps that apparently, according to his wife, he engaged in some rather brutal campaigns under Gen. Heydrich for the good of the Reich after the war).
Made it through, not that impressed. I'm sure I'll watch season 3 since I'm committed to the time for 1 and 2 now. I've been enjoying Sneaky Pete more than this. Cranston has that effect on a show though, damn.
Made it to episode 4 Season 2 and hoping for some kind of payoff because it's slow and hard to keep watching. Will finish this season but wouldn't recommend it at this point.
As stated before, I don't know anything about the source material. I assume that it matches pretty closely to the book and all the alternate reality business about the U.S. winning is why it's a Sci-Fi show instead of a fictional account. But the series desperately needs flashback sequences so that we get some sort of backstory of how the world being presented was inhabited by the main characters that we are supposed to care about. They are all very bland and have flimsy development at best.
Shop keeper that sells the artifacts may be my favorite character. Does anyone else think he looks like Edward Norton? Also, Frank looks like a younger Brad Pitt
His age, timeline, and family make sense. What will likely be explored in S.3 will be what made him so special that out of thousands of U.S. military officers (of whom we can likely assume a substantial percentage either pledged loyalty to the Reich or were imprisoned/executed), he was the one obscure Captain to make it all the way up the ranks of the SS to basically oversee Reich Security & Intelligence in the former U.S. He doesn't just seem like a survivor, going along to get along---he seems to have a genuine love and dedication to the Reich. Where does that come from?
And while the exact info is irrelevant, I think its important to mention, Washington was bombed on Dec 11, 1945- the flashback specifically showed that date just before we saw young Captain John Smith & wife walking into the hotel room.
Washington was nuked in December 1945. There was a caption before the scene started.
Only took a few minutes. But you're right, it was 1945. So let's even put John as a little younger, maybe a 25 year old Captain in 1945, born in 1920. Makes him 42 in '62. He looks older than that and certainly makes it harder to accept he's made O-8/O-9 by then. I'd go with closer to 30 in 1945 and 47 in 1962. Only thing that makes that less likely is the age of his son, but you can't fault Helen and him for waiting a few years after the fallout to get freaky again.
I can only assume he already had some demonstrable HUMINT experience in OSS (which is alluded to in the original $#@! novel) which made him respected by the SS. But then again, how effective are you at intel if you put yourself and your wife a few miles from DC minutes before the bomb is detonated. Then again, they looked like they were hurrying to that place, maybe he knew something and got as far away as he could and then went for shelter.
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