If you do happen to have carbs for dinner, and then have bulletproof coffee for breakfast the next day, it promotes a quicker re-entry into ketosis.
According to The Bulletproof Diet guy, Dave Asprey.
Well I guess this weekend was as close to my Waterloo and I am likely to encounter until SXSW. Thurs, Fri, Sat, Mon I went out and ate and drank. I guess the big change is that 1/2 gallon of Jack that I was replacing every 7 days during the Holiday Season is still sitting on the counter. I think I have only made four drinks at home and two of those were last night during the Natty. Largely I just ate what I wanted but with Keto choices, but fell off the wagon the one day I did not drink going way over on Salmon portions. I have made sure to work out religiously and have settled on and upper body/lower body/ ab and bicep three day rotation. Giving each body part two days of rest for recovery. And I am going to start making sure I walk/run/hike whatever every morning at a minimum far enough to wipe out my breakfast calorie intake.
I guess the main thing is that I didn't yo-yo horrifically back up in weight and managed to hold steady despite my bad week. So hopefully being strict the rest of the week will give me another small weight drop. Definitely feels good to be working out again. I always laugh at how I tend to stand and sit up straighter once I start working out, I guess better posture is an instant byproduct for me. My kid will be gone in a couple days back to school and a lot of the go out temptation will disappear this weekend.
I'm not a carb-nazi - I only relay my own experiences and what I did to get sustainable results. Personally, I had to remove glycemic load from the equation, at least for an extended period of time. I had an unhealthy relationship with carbs, very similar to the unhealthy relationship I had with alcohol. My past tendencies run towards extremism, and part of recovery is moving towards emotional moderation. While I can abstain from drinking alcohol, I can't completely eradicate carbs from my life.
Case in point - I love gumbo - and I've come to love gumbo without rice, potato salad, or garlic bread. Over New Years, on two consecutive days, I decided $#@! it and had rice and garlic bread with gumbo. Kicked myself out of ketosis and felt miserable. Gumbo without rice and garlic bread still has carbs from the roux flour and holy trinity, just not enough to kick me out of keto.
So "low" carb diet - and admittedly, for very long term sustainibility, this is defined as less than 50g a day for lazy keto - isn't as fanatical as you might think. Here's my diet from yesterday.
Breakfast - Bulletproof coffee
Lunch - 3/4 lb sliced brisket, small creamed spinach, small green beans
Snacks - some spicy peanuts, some roasted almonds.
Dinner - leftover egg drop soup, some dill havarti cheese, some top round pastrami, pickles, stuffed olives.
Desert - 10 raspberries with a shot of canned whipped cream
Granted I'm not in active weight loss mode anymore, I'm trying to replace body fat with lean muscle - so I actually eat enough protein to get some gains.
I also eat after my runs as well. Yogurt and granola is my go to.
anyone who tells you that you don't need carbs is not to be trusted
But it IS tough and unnecessary.
Critics say the keto-type diets usually work only in the short term and can be unhealthy.
For starters, most of the lost weight is water weight, according to Lisa Cimperman, R.D.N., a clinical dietitian at University Hospitals Case Medical Center in Cleveland, Ohio, and a spokesperson for the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics.
“Once your body enters ketosis, you also begin to lose muscle, become extremely fatigued, and eventually enter starvation mode. Then it actually becomes even harder to lose weight,” Cimperman told Healthline.
Mawer said he doesn’t believe the keto diet causes muscle loss. He did caution it’s not optimal for someone trying to gain muscle.
Other experts interviewed by Healthline had stronger words of caution.
“Keto diets should only be used under clinical supervision and only for brief periods,” Francine Blinten, R.D., a certified clinical nutritionist and public health consultant in Old Greenwich, Connecticut, told Healthline. “They have worked successfully on some cancer patients in conjunction with chemotherapy to shrink tumors and to reduce seizures among people suffering from epilepsy.”
People are using this for cosmetic reasons, but it’s so extreme that it’s dangerous.
In the general population, Blinten said a keto diet should only be considered in extreme cases.
“It can do more harm than good. It can damage the heart, which is also a muscle,” she explained.
Anyone with type 2 diabetes can benefit from weight loss and a reduced-carb diet because it will improve insulin sensitivity, Cimperman explained.
“But there are many other ways to do it besides a fad diet that won’t keep weight off long-term,” she said.
Yeah and for every article like that one, there's another that supports the keto science.
Your argument is invalid.
It just plain works.
Edit: a dietician???? Holy $#@! I cannot believe you posted weak $#@! like that on the shag. You should be ashamed.
Parliament, please stahp. I've tried to not engage you directly but the fact is you're just ignoring good science.
A nutritionist???? Smh. Those ignorant $#@!ers are why half of america is pre-diabetic. Seriously. There's a reason American health has been steadily declining since 1960 - I feel sorry for any licensed nutritionist toeing the USDA line.
Starvation mode? That's hilarious. I've been starving myself into lower BMI, increased lean muscle mass, and improved blood work for almost 2 years. My doctors are overjoyed with the results.
Last edited by BearSchlong; 01-10-2017 at 10:53 PM.
I could never do keto simply because I love craft beer too much. I try to limit completely crappy carbs (other than beer) but I eat a good bit of fruit, oatmeal, brown (and sometimes white) rice, corn products (e.g., tortilla chips), and drink probably about 20 beers per week. I could stand to lose 15-20 pounds, but it's not worth it for me if it involves giving up beer. I have been exercising more this year so we'll see, maybe I'll be able to drop the pounds without cutting back on the beer.
My biggest problem is eating late at night when I work evenings. I've cut that out and ate breakfast and healthy snacks and added light workouts in the past and dropped a decent amount of weight. That's the plan now. I'm not quitting sweet tea though. That's gonna be my downfall.
So now I have just cut beer and wine out altogether in the near term with otherwise same diet. If I want to drink (Monday night for game, busdev events for work) I stick to vodka sodas and whiskeys on rocks. Or I just drink Topco Chico to get that fizz fix. I don't like weighing every day, but intend to weigh myself about once every 2 weeks to see how it is going.
This isn't a permanent thing. I have too much craft beer in my fridge for it to be. But if I can make it to February, and see results, I can start folding those things back in, but at a much lower rate.
Ok guys this is how I am going to commit to losing weight. In 6 months I will have a pic taken of me in a speedo no matter what. Speedo season waits for no man!
The sucky part is the calorie and carb deficit in order to LOSE weight. once you get down to the weight you want you can bring you calories up and maintain you weight. Hopefully the act of losing weight helps you learn to moderate your food and drink to maintain your weight so that you don't have to do it again.
Hopefully by Summer the joke will be a little less obvious...
Here's what medical experts have to say about the low carb lifestyle.
Excellent video - all of it's good but the heart of the matter starts at 10:00. This speaks to his professional work, his personal story is in the 2nd video below.
Same guy - Dr. Peter Attia. Very good video. I love the fact that he didn't rush headlong into a ketogenic diet, but ended up there through trial and error. I probably need to watch my protein intake.
The takeaway is that you have to pay very close attention to diet and listen to your body.
Also, this one is good.
Last edited by BearSchlong; 01-11-2017 at 09:24 AM.
Dudes, a favor.
Can we use this thread as a motivational tool and take the diet methodology defense elsewhere?
I for one, appreciate the advice and insights - but I would prefer this thread is cluttered up with defense or degradation of a lifestyle.
If it works it works. Let's share what is working for you, what is not, and all try to get where we want to go.
Last edited by Gardner Barnes; 01-11-2017 at 09:53 AM.
This. Keto is a big enough 'thing' that you could/should probably have a whole separate thread for it.
I do low calorie/low carb. I'm thinking of switching over to more of a 5:2 fasting type of plan but maintaining a low carb diet (rather than the 'eat what you want' that is associated with many intermittent fasting plans).
I generally only eat twice a day anyways - so I don't think incorporating a couple of 36 hour fasts into my week should be too incredibly difficult. Definitely will help to reduce any 'stalls' I see in weight loss and should help to minimize the effects of days when I do lose willpower.
I'd like to apologize to the group for my reaction to Parliament - I tried to delete but time expired.
One thing I won't apologize for is my passion for body transformation.
I'd like to hear more about intermittent fasting - anybody have any book or research recommendations to share?
It amazes me how little consensus there is regarding healthy eating and eating towards weight loss. You'd think that the incredible amount of general interest, published materials and research into all this would not leave us debating every detail of this topic.
Feb 2015 - 5'8", 208, 30% body fat, 36.5" at belly button
Today - 5'8", 212.5 (was 218 last week), 23% body fat, 38" at belly button
Contradictory results, but by not cutting back on beer, all my fat has gone to to the middle while my legs, shoulders, arms and back are more toned. So the beer and wine goes for a bit while I focus on a high protein/fat, low carb diet using MFP to keep me honest. If I can be at 200 at end of February, I'll be thrilled. Would love to be 190-195ish come weeklong Disney trip in April when everything will go to crap for a short time.
Last edited by A-Tex Devil; 01-11-2017 at 11:33 AM.
Yeah, no offense to those preaching the low carb diet, but y'all come off a little like crossfitters, either side of the global warming debate, vaccination for/against, and Jesus riding dinosaur nutters. And i do low carb and cal for my weight loss during the week. You can see results off of low carb just like you can crossfit, but we don't need to turn this in to a CR thread debating either one.
Since this seems to have taken over the fitness thread, i'll move here.
Moved to the next shorter set of holes on my belt. Gained back the ground i lost the last 3 months of 2016.
OK, and I'm done $#@!ing on the anti-carbers. My deepest apologies to all those I offended.
I don mostly weight training in the winter, and mostly cardio in the summer. At 41, I've FINALLY figured out how to do it. I SO wish I could send myself an email back to 1997.
1) Every minute, on the minute training is a key, core piece of my strength training. I do it 50/50 with working up to a 1 RM the other 50%. YMMV, but I like to do the heaviest single I can do each set.
2) I'm not a natural runner. I tried for an entire summer and got down to about an 11 minute mile. Sad. What I've found instead, is running bleachers. In the Summer, have a weight vest and get up to 72# in it. $#@! brutal, $#@!ing awesome.
3) Genetics matter, and sometimes genetics suck. Myself, I'm good at adding weight, duration, speed, ect to a new workout fast. (As an example, I went from a 12# vest to 72# in 7 weeks last summer.) I can constantly, aggressively add challenge to my workouts; especially starting out. On the other side, my metabolism is evil. If I go over 2800 calories/day, I get fatter. That's bull$#@!.
I see more anti-no carbing than anti-carbing.
Random thoughts: Ever wonder why you rarely see overweight Asians? Indians?
I love Asian food and from just watching the chefs at the local Japanese steakhouses, I just started doing that.
I've lost weight in the past by cooking in a wok. Now they have these bags of stir-fry mix in the salad section. Cut up some skinless chicken, a little oil, bag of broccoli slaw mix, egg, onion, mushrooms, bean sprouts, zucchini, cabbage, squeeze of lemon/lime, soy/teriaki/fish sauce. Really just anything in the produce section. Thai...throw in some basil, peppers and peanuts. Started adding pepitas(pumpkin seed kernels) recently. Just slightly toast in the oil. Keep the rice to a minimum.
Tired of chicken? I have a friend who is a butcher and he sells me the "tails" that he cuts off tenderloins. $10/lb. I've also used fresh fish/shrimp/scallops...I've also cut up a pork chop.
That butcher also gives me the beef bones. Learning how to make pho.
Also, when the wife and I get take-out these days, usually from a cafeteria, we split it.
I did intermittent fasting and insanity/basketball/soccer for about 7 months a couple of years ago when I was being a fat $#@!ing slob after my divorce and lost almost 70lbs. I didn't want to lose that much weight but it became a game for me to get to 199lbs. Everyone thought I was dying lol. Not a good look on me but that $#@! worked
Ironically, it's the same HS Stadium where UT's own James Brown worked his magic.
Running bleachers is natural HIIT. You run up, walk down, run up, walk down, pause to catch your breath, repeat. Adjust the weight in your vest to get the "catch your breath" interval right. It's also a good complement to your lower-body weight training, SO LONG AS YOU DIAL BACK THE SQUATTING AND DEADLIFTING. You'll overtrain quick if you don't. I do lower body movement every other day, adjusting the intensity based on my soreness from the prior leg day. If I'm REAL sore, I just go for a walk instead. Everyone is different, but I don't get real sore from deadlifting. What gets me is any squat variation and, to a lesser degree, reverse hypers.
You really gotta listen to your body. If you're duration and intensity is up there, be happy to take it easy for a leg workout or even take the day off. You earned it.
"Oh, you had a garden salad for lunch? I don't know what will take you first, the diabetes or the cancer....."
Exactly - it's that total lack of consensus that keeps me from even bothering to try to learn much at this point.
Unless we already have one, maybe we should make a separate healthy recipes thread.
Last night, I made cauliflower "rice" to go with some kung pao shrimp and veggies. First time I'd tried it since hearing about it recently. Has about 1/8 of the calories and carbs of real rice. Definitely going in the rotation.
There are all sorts of recipes out there. Here's an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8HbnLxMApU
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