So we're going to borrow the money from the Chinese (and future generations of taxpayers) to build a wall that Mexico doesn't want and then Mexico is going to reimburse us for it?
Etch it in stone. Bet the bank.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...er-wall-233237House Republicans and Donald Trump's team are coalescing around a multi-billion dollar plan to make good on the president-elect's campaign vows to build a wall between the United States and Mexico, according to top Republican lawmakers and aides.
Republican leaders, in tandem with Trump’s transition staff, are considering using a 2006 law signed by former President George W. Bush that authorized the construction of 700 miles-plus of “physical barrier” on the southern border. The law was never fully implemented and did not include a sunset provision, allowing Trump to pick up where Bush left off — with the help of new money from Congress.
100% tax on WU and Moneygram wire transfers going to c. and s. america, also seizing cartel assets. BOOM there's the funding. Next.
Would you be willing to sacrifice 60,000 American lives to stem some other country's supply of drugs? I wouldn't. Let them solve their own $#@!ing drug problem.
And seize cartel assets? Awesome! Let's EXPAND the civil forfeiture process! The burden of proof is on YOU the prove that your house wasn't bought with drug money! $#@! the people having property rights! You're in the United States of muthafuckin' Trump, now! No rights, just winning!
[QUOTE=Rocko20;10491873]The wall is already there, Trump is just going to finish it with funding from congress.
I guess you haven't heard any discussion about the 3 trillion dollars in debt. no responsible congress would approve this. it's the dumbest idea he's ever had, and he's had a slew of them. it will never happen.
No one cares about spending.
No one cares about debt.
And yes, the US "War on Drugs" has been a monumental failure.
If we arrest someone on drug charges, they go to jail.
In Mexico, if you arrest someone, they murder the cop's entire family. Yet they've arrested and killed NUMEROUS cartel leaders...and the snake just grows a new head the next day.
Here, educate yourself just a TINY bit before you shoot your mouth off: http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/02/world/...ar-fast-facts/
And again, I ask you - would you be willing to sacrifice 60,000 American lives to stop the flow of drugs into, say, Canada?
Last edited by Brisketexan; 01-07-2017 at 09:58 AM.
cnn lol no
Funny like clowns, to amuse us and make us laugh.
I'm not at all surprised that you so easily blame all that $#@! on the American government. You can argue that the Mexican government has no culpability, and that they'ed be fools to do much, all you want...but it's a bull$#@! argument.
An odd take, to lay the full responsibility for the flow of drugs from Mexico into the us on the demand side. I guess all those hillbillies in Appalachia are to blame for the opioid surge and it has nothing to do with pharma or the FDA.
Mexicans need to make sacrifices, if that's what it takes, to maintain their sovereignty and control over their borders. If they are not willing to make the necessary sacrifices, on a number of different fronts, to maintain control over their border, than in reality they are not a sovereign. Yes, the war on drugs is an abomination, yes there are numerous other things that need to be done to address illegal immigration and drug flow. But Mexico has to take responsibility for the environment that they have created on that side of the border. If they can't, then we need to just roll right across it. Take back Laredo first. I miss my trips to the Cadillac bar and the Mercado with my family when I was a child.
If it was me, I'd say "$#@! my neighbor. Legalize this $#@!, and my people will stop being slaughtered to fight your stupid 'drug war.' In fact, you're on your own. We aren't going to do anything to stem the flow. We declare all drugs legal, and will award government distribution franchises in the coming months."
Instead, Mexico is doing our bidding, fighting his stupid war, and losing tens of thousands of lives in the process. I don't know what's dumber: us expecting Mexico to do this $#@!, or Mexico actually agreeing to it. Turn the tables, and I'd tell Mexico to get bent.
I am with you until you abdicate any interest in control of your border. Once you do that you are inviting the counter party to exert their form of control over the border. For example, by building a wall.
And just to emphasize. $#@! the war on drugs. Totally on same page there.
There's open combat on their streets between govt forces and cartels.
You have an odd definition of "abdicate," being that it includes situations where the military is deployed and is in active combat.
The myth that Mexico isn't doing anything to control its border isn't just a myth - it's a lie.
We create demand. Supply flows through Mexico. But Mexico is to blame. Even though their fight has led to thousands of deaths of their own citizens. We are a self-absorbed and arrogant bunch here, but come the $#@! on.
Last edited by Brisketexan; 01-07-2017 at 11:29 AM.
It's tough to have any reliable relationship or expectation of fair play with a country as corrupt as Mexico... from it's business interests, to it's crime families, to it's government leaders.
That is a strawman argument, since nobody has made that claim.
We're having a discussion about who is going to pay for the wall. My guess is that the Republican Congress and President will vote to complete it but gutlessly NOT raise the revenue to pay for it. So more deficit spending.
Meanwhile, in the last stats I could find, you're 17,400 times more likely to die of heart disease in the United States than from a terrorist attack.
All Trump has to do is alter some future bill that was going to provide aid or subsidies to Mexico or Mexican companies. Let's say that bill was going to be $50B. Instead make it $70B but then "charge" Mexico $20B and net the aid/subsidy down to $50B that it was always going to be. Presto. Instant payment for the Wall. Tweet that out and you fulfilled the promise. Trump can play these games all day. And if someone points it out, then tweet out more about the dishonest media. double win.
Our friends, being neighbors to our diplomatic corp. Wonder what the 'consular official' did, legal attache?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/gunman-sh...162604793.htmlMEXICO CITY (AP) — Mexican prosecutors said Saturday they are searching for a gunman who opened fire on an official of the U.S. consulate in the western city of Guadalajara.
The Attorney General's Office said Saturday the official was wounded in the attack Friday in Guadalajara. The city is the capital of Jalisco state, which is dominated by the hyper-violent Jalisco New Generation cartel. There was no immediate evidence of any cartel link to the attack.
Surveillance video of the attack shows the gunman following the official in a parking garage. The official, whose name was not released, was dressed in shorts.
The shooting appeared to be a direct attempt to kill the consular employee.
In the video, the attacker doesn't appear to try to approach the official while he is walking, but instead waits for him to exit the parking garage in his vehicle and fires a round into the car's windshield.
The consulate said on its Facebook page that the FBI is offering a $20,000 reward for information on the attacker.
Guadalajara is Mexico's second largest city and is not specifically singled out for any special precautions in the latest U.S. travel warning updated on Dec. 8.
The U.S. Embassy in Mexico City said that for privacy reasons no further information would be made available on the victim, including his condition.
"The safety and security of our employees overseas is among our highest priorities," said an embassy spokeswoman who was not authorized to be quoted by name. "We are working closely with Mexican law enforcement ?in this matter."
The Attorney General's Office said the victim was in "stable" condition and under protection, apparently at a local hospital. The office said the case was being handled by federal detectives. An attack on diplomatic personnel would be considered a federal crime in Mexico.
U.S. consular employees and other U.S. agents have been attacked in Mexico in the past; the attackers have usually argued the attacks were cases of mistaken identity.
In 2014, a Mexican gang leader was sentenced to life in prison for his role in the 2010 slayings in the border city of Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, of a U.S. consulate employee, her husband and the husband of another employee.
Prosecutors said Arturo Gallegos Castrellon was in charge of a team of assassins with the Barrio Azteca, a gang allied with the Juarez drug cartel, and had ordered the three slayings.
The killings of U.S. consulate employee Leslie Ann Enriquez Catton, her husband, Arthur Redfels, and Alberto Salcido Ceniceros, the husband of another consulate employee, as they left a children's birthday party were a mistake, former gang members testified during the trial.
Redfels was driving a white SUV that was very similar to a vehicle that Gallegos Castrellon had marked as a target for his team of assassins because they thought it belonged to members of the rival Sinaloa cartel.
In 2012, uniformed police pumped 152 bullets into a U.S. Embassy vehicle carrying two CIA officers and a Mexican Navy captain. The police officers, who wounded the Americans and face attempted murder charges, initially said the people they attacked were in uniform and marked cars, and that they had responded to fire from the SUV. But details of the attorney general's investigation said those attacked were in street clothes, riding in unmarked vehicles (including two of their personal cars) and under order at all times from their commanding officers.
A Mexican drug cartel lieutenant pleaded guilty in 2013 to murder and attempted murder of an officer or employee of the United States in the Feb. 15, 2011, shootings of the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents.
The attackers acknowledged they were members of a Los Zetas Cartel hit squad and directly participated in the attack, which resulted in the death of ICE agent Jaime Zapata and the wounding of his colleague Victor Avila, both based in Texas.
According to court documents, a commander in Los Zetas Cartel tried to hijack the agents' armored government vehicle as it was driving on Highway 57 in San Luis Potosi. After hit squads forced the vehicle off the road and surrounded it, the Zetas commander ordered the U.S. agents to get out. The agents refused and tried to identify themselves in Spanish as diplomats from the American embassy, but the hit squad members fired into the vehicle, striking both of them.
Rocko, how dense is your skull? Is your brain solid concrete? If there was an iq test for shaggy posters I am just as confident that you would be in the bottom percentile as I am that the wall will not be built. We have 600 miles of fence already, and that cost approx. $1M/mile. A huge sum that has been tacked onto our deficit. The wall would be more even more expensive. Some have estimated it will cost $12B. What happened to your small government? What happened to your cutting spending? Empty promises. Hope and change and all that. If you like your small government, you can keep your small government.
In addition, the $600M we've spent on the fence has done nothing to reduce drug use in America. nothing to reduce the wealth of the drug dealers or cartel violence. so a smart man would at least consider what you are getting for the money. secondly, we have more border patrol agents now than we did before the fence. no savings in building it. will the Donald be able to lay off agents to help offset this wall of his? no. no reduced payroll, no smaller government. thirdly, it is ugly and nobody wants it. landowners don't want it on their land and don't want to sell to the feds. many landowners down there know migrants are coming across their land and even leave water out for them. they don't call ins when they see migrants on their land. fourthly, it's beautiful land (if you think deserts can be beautiful, which I do), and the wall, besides being unsightly, will hinder animal migrations. Fifth and foremost, the drugs are not coming across the land. the drugs, and migrants, are driving right across the bridge. driving right past the noses of border patrol agents every day. homeland security estimates that they intercept 10% of the loads. so if we capture $300K worth of drugs, or US dollars heading south, $3M is getting through. if you want to increase spending, spend more on bridges, dogs, and agents. you know, like a jobs program. lets not rely on instinct to determine if we should scan this car or that. lets scan every car.
trump sold the wall to the gullible morons in the Midwest, old people that think terrorists are swimming the river and walking across the desert. its a stupid and expensive and will help in no way, and I believe congress will be smart enough to see this. just like they are learning to realize they cant repeal Obamacare without a similar, and likely just as costly, a health plan. we'll just call it trumpcare instead, but make no mistake, it's really still Obamacare.
$1MM a mile? How much for a mine field?
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