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    Not a cowboys fan but wtf is with the witch hunt against zeke?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vic Mackey View Post
    Can you even be suspended for preseason? Players who face suspensions are still able to participate in training camp and preseason.
    No clue about preseason suspensions. But can't they just do it for the sake of good ole boy Mr. Goodell so we can just put this $#@! behind the team already?

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    LOLz Players would $#@! up on purpose if they could get suspended for preseason only.

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    Im over this whole Jaylon Smith crap. It’s been nothing but misinformation and flat out lies from the organization since they drafted him. The Jones’ were saying he could have played at the end of last year. Then he is tearing it up in practice and he will play early and often now as the season approaches it’s “we could see him playing again in 9 months”.

    Basically either no one really knows his true condition or they are still flat out lying about it.

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    i took that to mean his nerve would return to full function in 6-9 months. last i heard his nerve is regenerating according to middle of the road estimations.

  • #3307
    He's going to play, although they'll probably bring him back slowly. He's going to wear some goofy brace to keep his foot attached to his leg but with the recent nerve regeneration they are hopeful he will be able to take the brace off, presumably in the 6-9 month time period referenced in the above poorly worded tweet.

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    Why would you even take the risk of playing him if he was to wear some brace no player has ever worn before? This game is fast and violent enough to play at full strength much less wearing some brace that no one knows how it will hinder him. This has disaster written all over it if they bring him back before the nerve has fully regenerated.

    Like miles said, this whole ordeal is a beating. And you never know who is telling the truth. Training camp will be a huge indicator of just how healthy he really is. You can't hide him out there. And if you do, then we all know that means he's not ready to play.

    Saying all that, how good will he even be when he comes back? I know they told us all last year we got a top 5 talent in the 2nd round. Yes, top 5 talent when he was fully healthy at Notre Dame before the injury. If he's only 60-70% of this talent, then there is zero value at the pick and might even be the 2nd round was too high for his talent he brings to the field.

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    Second round was too high. I hated the pick then and I'm not going to defend it now either. What's done is done however and the situation at hand is figuring out if the guy can play. With Lee + Hitchens in a contract year as well as Wilson and Nzeocha in put up or shut up years we don't really need Jaylon Smith to carry a huge workload in 2017. We do need to find out if he can be a guy that replaces Hitchens or god forbid Lee in 2018. I'm unclear on if he'll be under contract for 2 or 3 more years at that point.

    It is what it is

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    Agreed. Hated the pick then and still don't agree but that's water under the bridge. He's here and hopefully he can see the field. At whatever level he can play on. I just am not expected to be blown away by what he can bring. At least not right away. It's a very delicate situation. I would not play him until he can play without a brace and the nerve is fully healed. With by the timetable in the tweet, the earliest time would be In January if we made a deep playoff run. And there's no way you'd bring him back then if we got that far without him. It's going to take him awhile to get used to the speed of the NFL seeing he's never played a down in a game.

    Like DougO said, it looks like he might start the year on PUP and they take it week by week after that.

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    There were reports that NE maybe one or two teams were thinking about taking Smith soon after if the Cowboys hadn't. But they didn't have the multiple immediate needs that the Cowboys did with good players on the board at that point.

    I hope it pays off. We'll see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DougO View Post
    There were reports that NE maybe one or two teams were thinking about taking Smith soon after if the Cowboys hadn't. But they didn't have the multiple immediate needs that the Cowboys did with good players on the board at that point.

    I hope it pays off. We'll see.
    Oh $#@!. Well in that case I'm glad we drafted him. If New England was gonna draft him we really came out on top.

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    More news on Jaylon Smith per source. Recent tests show increased nerve regeneration. If continues, could see full return in the 6-9 months.

    — Jane Slater (@SlaterNFL) July 20, 2017

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    Quote Originally Posted by viper View Post
    more news on jaylon smith per source. Recent tests show increased nerve regeneration. If continues, could see full return in the 6-9 months.

    — jane slater (@slaternfl) july 20, 2017
    lol!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by irishtexan View Post
    Oh $#@!. Well in that case I'm glad we drafted him. If New England was gonna draft him we really came out on top.
    Yeah i hate this reasoning. I don't care if others were ready to take him soon after us. Let them deal with this $#@!. New England doesn't desperately need draft picks to work out like we do. Bill just drafts random white guys from Alaska anyways.

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    On Smith, my personal guess is that the the doctors told them that Smith would be able to play all the way in 2017. I just can't imagine they burned one of the best picks in the entire draft ( high 2nd round ) on a guy that gives you nothing for half of that dirt cheap contract. The fact that he's not 100% this season is a pick bust unless he morphs into one of the 3 best linebackers in the league by the end of the contract, which is really damn unlikely.

    Just glanced at the 2nd round from 2016 and the list of dudes they could have had is such a bummer. Chris Jones would have been the ideal NT for this system, 6'6'' 310 with long arms and a great first step for a NT. He started a bunch of games for Kansas City last year and would be the best player on the Dallas DL to start 2017. Ragland for ILB, Cody from Kansas State is a dominating guard for Chicago, Jihad Ward for DE, Xavier Howard for CB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DFWBear View Post
    On Smith, my personal guess is that the the doctors told them that Smith would be able to play all the way in 2017. I just can't imagine they burned one of the best picks in the entire draft ( high 2nd round ) on a guy that gives you nothing for half of that dirt cheap contract. The fact that he's not 100% this season is a pick bust unless he morphs into one of the 3 best linebackers in the league by the end of the contract, which is really damn unlikely.

    Just glanced at the 2nd round from 2016 and the list of dudes they could have had is such a bummer. Chris Jones would have been the ideal NT for this system, 6'6'' 310 with long arms and a great first step for a NT. He started a bunch of games for Kansas City last year and would be the best player on the Dallas DL to start 2017. Ragland for ILB, Cody from Kansas State is a dominating guard for Chicago, Jihad Ward for DE, Xavier Howard for CB.
    If he sits on IR all year, does that burn one of his contract years?

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    Jourdan Lewis' case going to trial

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...iolence-charge

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    Quote Originally Posted by EvilCaseMcCoy View Post
    If he sits on IR all year, does that burn one of his contract years?
    This isn't college where you can redshirt a dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BDR View Post
    I still know almost nothing about this case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DFWBear View Post
    The fact that he's not 100% this season is a pick bust unless he morphs into one of the 3 best linebackers in the league by the end of the contract, which is really damn unlikely.
    I think Smith's career can still unfold in a lot of ways that doesn't make him a "bust." If he is ever healthy and has a normal career, I think the Cowboys would not regret using a 2nd on him, but that is a big "if." But I do agree that 2nd round picks should be seen as near immediate starters.

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    Not sure what Durant has left in the tank. But we need depth at that position in a bad way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BDR View Post

    Not good. Unless this thing gets laughed out of court quickly it's a likely suspension before he even gets started, and yet another key addition and draft pick looking like big fail potential.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vic Mackey View Post
    Not sure what Durant has left in the tank. But we need depth at that position in a bad way.
    Looks a bit like desperation following their apparent lack of concern at LB in the offseason with their inflated expectations of Smith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian in a hotel room View Post
    I think Smith's career can still unfold in a lot of ways that doesn't make him a "bust." If he is ever healthy and has a normal career, I think the Cowboys would not regret using a 2nd on him, but that is a big "if." But I do agree that 2nd round picks should be seen as near immediate starters.
    The problem for me is the contract, but I've been complaining about how the Cowboys use 2nd round picks for years.

    Good teams bypass Best. Player. Available. in the 2nd round to take Surest. Player. Available. because of how ludicrously cheap the contract is. 2nd round picks should be good rotational players year 1, and ideally positional leaders and every day starters for the remainder of their rookie contracts. Teams rotate through these 4 dudes in order to deploy capital elsewhere.

    Let's consider Smith's contract, where the cap hits go
    Year 1: 1.18
    Year 2: 1.47
    Year 3: 1.77
    Year 4. 2.07

    That means that in any given season you should ideally have 1 high value rookie, and 3 quality starters for approximately $6.5 million in dead cap money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DFWBear View Post
    The problem for me is the contract, but I've been complaining about how the Cowboys use 2nd round picks for years.

    Good teams bypass Best. Player. Available. in the 2nd round to take Surest. Player. Available. because of how ludicrously cheap the contract is. 2nd round picks should be good rotational players year 1, and ideally positional leaders and every day starters for the remainder of their rookie contracts. Teams rotate through these 4 dudes in order to deploy capital elsewhere.

    Let's consider Smith's contract, where the cap hits go
    Year 1: 1.18
    Year 2: 1.47
    Year 3: 1.77
    Year 4. 2.07

    That means that in any given season you should ideally have 1 high value rookie, and 3 quality starters for approximately $6.5 million in dead cap money.
    I'm not disagreeing with that logic, but I think if there is any planet where Smith fully heals, then it was worth the risk because he was one of the top 5 players in his draft class. If he ever is a game-changer, then you're not concerned with the cap ramifications because you're keeping him regardless.

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    ok, this is $#@!ing funny.


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    Blindside is available.

    Panthers released/failed physical OT Michael Oher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jive Turkey View Post
    ok, this is $#@!ing funny.

    Can he play in the front 7 on defense?

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    God this offseason can't end soon enough

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    So is Zeke suspended for the Hall of Fame Game cancellation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vic Mackey View Post
    Can he play in the front 7 on defense?
    He'd be good at shredding the oline, cutting the gap, and getting deep penetration, right in the heart...of the offense.

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    2017 Dallas Cowboys Offseason Thread

    This is some serious bull$#@!, some NFL owners are pressuring Goodell to suspend Elliott.





    Last edited by mileslong; Yesterday at 10:03 PM.

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    But but but it's not a witch hunt!

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    Never mind that that commie Goodell levied a huge cap reduction against the Cowboys for doing something that wasn't even against the rules.

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    That's $#@!ing ridiculous. Suspend him for what? Maybe they can roll all this $#@! into 1-2 games for conduct detrimental. But nothing more significant than that.

    The fact that it's already been over a year on a domestic abuse case that was pretty quickly dismissed as having no credible evidence is ridiculous enough.

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    Not good. Unless this thing gets laughed out of court quickly it's a likely suspension before he even gets started, and yet another key addition and draft pick looking like big fail potential.
    How they going to suspend a player for something that happened before he was even in the league?

    Goodell will really be overstepping in that case.

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    If that happens, I want every player that was ever involved in an incident before the NFL to be suspended. Starting with Joe Mixon. And with that logic, Manziel should have been suspended to if we are going back to stuff that happened in college.

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