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    Quote Originally Posted by capnamerca View Post
    I know that it's shaggy, and we're all $#@!s and whatnot. But there's no way to say this without sounding like an $#@!.

    You suck at math.

    I'm glad you've hit some big winners, but "short rolls" have absolutely nothing to do with what the odds say the dice will do on the next roll, and what your bets should be based on what the payouts are on a particular bet.
    Well, you're right about the $#@! part.

    Who the $#@! ever said one roll has anything to do with the next? I certainly didn't. Because every roll there it is equally like for any number to appear as any other roll--independent of the previous number. That's where the math comes in, to wit:

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    The math is that there are six ways to roll a 7. That's 1 in 6. Therefore on each roll it is more likely that a 7 will be rolled than any other number. Do that math. Or just answer this simple question--what number other than 7 is more likely to be rolled each time? Because if it's not 7 then all these casinos are just $#@!ing stupid for getting it wrong all these decades.

    The only thing I said was that short rolls are more common than long rolls. A lot. You see, not only is it my experience, but it fits the above $#@!ing math. If you have any evidence to the contrary, let's see it. My experience--short rolls are more common--fits.

    You see, the only way to win in a casino--AT ANYTHING--is to ride the hot streaks and minimize losses during cold streaks. That's 15 years experiences and a lot of money lost and a lot of money won talking. See the above post for what works for me.

    But hey--if you think that you're smart enough to where you know the odds better than the casino's house edge based on the difference between odds paid and true odds (when really you just fail at reading comprehension), you should soon own a casino and be typing on shaggy from your 10,000 sq. ft. yacht that never ceases to circle the globe stopping inland only to refresh new native hotties.

    Next time you wanna disagree with someone trying to save you some money, you might not wanna be such a $#@! about it.
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    I usually play the pass line with 2X odds, and then have two come bets (but no odds on those because I am a low roller).

    This hedges some early in a roll and then I can press with the house's money after I collect twice like HG's system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Houstonian View Post
    Well, you're right about the $#@! part.

    Who the $#@! ever said one roll has anything to do with the next? I certainly didn't. Because every roll there it is equally like for any number to appear as any other roll--independent of the previous number. That's where the math comes in, to wit:

    Math
    The math is that there are six ways to roll a 7. That's 1 in 6. Therefore on each roll it is more likely that a 7 will be rolled than any other number. Do that math. Or just answer this simple question--what number other than 7 is more likely to be rolled each time? Because if it's not 7 then all these casinos are just $#@!ing stupid for getting it wrong all these decades.

    The only thing I said was that short rolls are more common than long rolls. A lot. You see, not only is it my experience, but it fits the above $#@!ing math. If you have any evidence to the contrary, let's see it. My experience--short rolls are more common--fits.

    You see, the only way to win in a casino--AT ANYTHING--is to ride the hot streaks and minimize losses during cold streaks. That's 15 years experiences and a lot of money lost and a lot of money won talking. See the above post for what works for me.

    But hey--if you think that you're smart enough to where you know the odds better than the casino's house edge based on the difference between odds paid and true odds (when really you just fail at reading comprehension), you should soon own a casino and be typing on shaggy from your 10,000 sq. ft. yacht that never ceases to circle the globe stopping inland only to refresh new native hotties.

    Next time you wanna disagree with someone trying to save you some money, you might not wanna be such a $#@! about it.
    I bet you gave me negative rep too, huh? :).

    Olive branch, kemo sabe. I get the statistics, and I know you do, too. I just find it funny that you don't play as much money as possible on the odds, since they're quite literally the only properly-paid bet in the entire casino. And while this is going to sound very grendel-ish, I've had a pit boss do the math on my particular system on a napkin while I was playing it, and he left nodding his head and saying he agreed with my take on the house edge, etc.

    My system does the same thing yours does - minimize exposure while maximizing money on a hot table. Instead of trying to win on the come out (your system), I try and negate any losses on money where i'm not being paid right. So I play a pass and a don't pass at the same time (or a come/don't come at the same time). I'm not trying to win that money, but I'm not trying to lose that money. Rather, I'm trying to get as much money on an odds bet behind the pass or come as possible. The only edge the house has on my money is the 12, where the don't pushes and the pass loses. After that, I'm playing square with the house, and it's a matter of hitting a hot streak.

    Doesn't matter what you do, what I do, what HG does. If you shoot craps, you're my friend.

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    I don't give neg rep so must've been someone else. I've never in my life been unkind to someone who hasn't first been unkind to me or my friend/family so if you're cool I'm cool.

    The thing is, there are a few reasons NOT to stack odds even if you and I agree on the math roll per roll:
    1. Increasing your odds reduces the effectiveness of the hedge (your come/passline bet)--every unit you go up, your hedge is less and less meaningful to the point of meaning no hedge at all;
    2. The "paid odds" aren't "true odds", but whatever the house is willing to give--and where the house allows high odds, it can also change the "paid odds"--so when you risk more given the house's natural edge, it makes less mathematical sense;
    3. The risk you "give" for laying down high odds is not rewarded in the game of craps due to the math we already discussed above--the rarity of the long rolls don't justify it and I've learned this the hard way;
    4. I'm not gonna lie--throwing out $100-$500 on the pass/come make you look baller. If you wanna make money; look as good as possible doing it. And have a WAY better percentage hedge than anyone make "place/buy/one time" bets.

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    Hedging is for pussies.

    Make a bet or don't...

    It all comes down to this- EVERY additional bet you make on the craps table that isn't an odds bet, increases exposure to a greater the house advantage.

    That being said, I share a love of the game, as well. I do laugh alot at the fallacies and BS reasoning some folks have though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slorch View Post
    Hedging is for pussies.

    Make a bet or don't...

    It all comes down to this- EVERY additional bet you make on the craps table that isn't an odds bet, increases exposure to a greater the house advantage.

    That being said, I share a love of the game, as well. I do laugh alot at the fallacies and BS reasoning some folks have though.
    What fallacies? All I ask at the craps table is that you keep the dice on the table, don't change out the dealers especially the stickman, don't pass me a 7 or for that matter even say the word, don't talk or interrupt me if I'm shooting even if you're my friend, don't buy-in to play in the middle of a roll, and don't snap your damn fingers after you throw the dice. Is that too much to ask?

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    You left out the parts about $#@!tail waitresses bring a 7 with them and how a woman shooter is good luck...LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slorch View Post
    Hedging is for pussies.

    Make a bet or don't...

    It all comes down to this- EVERY additional bet you make on the craps table that isn't an odds bet, increases exposure to a greater the house advantage.

    That being said, I share a love of the game, as well. I do laugh alot at the fallacies and BS reasoning some folks have though.
    I tell you what. Given we both share a love of the game, let's have a friendly contest.

    I'll be at l'Auberge this coming Friday with the little lady and some friends (maybe). We start with $5,000. I stick to my system while you do whatever your gut tells you for 1 hr. Most money wins a $100 chip. All in good fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Houstonian View Post
    I tell you what. Given we both share a love of the game, let's have a friendly contest.

    I'll be at l'Auberge this coming Friday with the little lady and some friends (maybe). We start with $5,000. I stick to my system while you do whatever your gut tells you for 1 hr. Most money wins a $100 chip. All in good fun.
    If you're bankrolling me, then let's go.

    In all honesty, I haven't played in over a year. I do know the game cold, though. I've never walked into a casino with $5k to gamble, but the amount of the wager doesn't make you "correct."

    There's a huge difference in playing a craps tournament and "betting from scratch" as well. How often do you drive to L'auberge and play for an hour?

    If exposing your money to an increasing house edge floats your boat, then just walk up to the table and throw $5k on a hi-lo, or better yet, any hard way on the hop.

    The math doesn't lie, and every additional bet you make that isn't free odds, weakens your position.
    Last edited by slorch; 02-21-2011 at 12:07 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slorch View Post
    If you're bankrolling me, then let's go.

    In all honesty, I haven't played in over a year. I do know the game cold, though. I'll be honest, my gambling bankroll has never been $5k. Most often it was around $500.

    There's a huge difference in playing a craps tournament and "betting from scratch" as well. How often do you drive to L'auberge and play for an hour?

    If exposing your money to an increasing house edge floats your boat, then just walk up to the table and throw $5k on a hi-lo, or better yet, any hard way on the hop.

    The math doesn't lie, and every additional bet you make that isn't free odds, weakens your position.
    I didn't mean to put you on the spot like that, it just sounded like you gambled a lot or might be up for it. I gamble 1-2 times/month one night on the weekend. I plan to be there all night Friday, but thought it would be fun to have a friendly wager on the craps table to take a break from blackjack. Like craps, when a blackjack run goes bad, I chip up and look for a new good run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Houstonian View Post
    1. Increasing your odds reduces the effectiveness of the hedge (your come/passline bet)--every unit you go up, your hedge is less and less meaningful to the point of meaning no hedge at all;
    2. The "paid odds" aren't "true odds", but whatever the house is willing to give--and where the house allows high odds, it can also change the "paid odds"--so when you risk more given the house's natural edge, it makes less mathematical sense;
    3. The risk you "give" for laying down high odds is not rewarded in the game of craps due to the math we already discussed above--the rarity of the long rolls don't justify it and I've learned this the hard way;
    4. I'm not gonna lie--throwing out $100-$500 on the pass/come make you look baller. If you wanna make money; look as good as possible doing it. And have a WAY better percentage hedge than anyone make "place/buy/one time" bets.
    #1 - I don't understand the concept of hedging, as you lay it out. Your answers to #2, 3 and 4 might have something to do with that, tho.
    #2 - That's a $#@!ty casino you're playing in if they modify how an odds bet that hits is paid out. An "odds" bet, as in the money you put behind a come/pass line bet with an established point of 4,5,6,8,9 or 10, actually pays off at true odds (thus, the name). It's very technically the ONLY bet in the entire casino that works that way (at least in Vegas and in every craps game I've seen). For example, hitting a 4 or 10 is 50% less likely than hitting a 7 on any given roll. While a placed 4 pays off 9 to 5, the odds bet actually pays off 2 to 1. So you're going to lose twice as often as you win when throwing at a 4, but you're going to be paid twice as much when you do hit. True odds.
    #3 - Length of a roll has nothing to do with the EV of a given system. Maximizing the amount of money on the Odds bet is the only way to reduce the house edge in a game of craps. Again, it's actually the only way you can monetarily affect the house edge in the entire casino.
    #4 - that's the damn truth - placing/laying a number sucks :). I don't prefer HG's system, but the thought there is to get HUGE money on the table when one of those streaks do roll around. It's a modified form of a nightengale system, but I dig it. Haven't had any luck with it, but I dig it :).

    Again, we're cool, and it sounds like you've had success, so I wish you the continued same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by capnamerca View Post
    #1 - I don't understand the concept of hedging, as you lay it out. Your answers to #2, 3 and 4 might have something to do with that,
    #3 - Length of a roll has nothing to do with the EV of a given system. Maximizing the amount of money on the Odds bet is the only way to reduce the house edge in a game of craps. Again, it's actually the only way you can monetarily affect the house edge in the entire casino.
    #4 - that's the damn truth - placing/laying a number sucks :). I don't prefer HG's system, but the thought there is to get HUGE money on the table when one of those streaks do roll around. It's a modified form of a nightengale system, but I dig it. Haven't had any luck with it, but I dig it :).

    Again, we're cool, and it sounds like you've had success, so I wish you the continued same.
    If you are at l'Auberge on Friday, we can test it all out. I will be with girlfriend, so can't hang out all night but I'll be there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by capnamerca View Post
    I don't prefer HG's system, but the thought there is to get HUGE money on the table when one of those streaks do roll around. It's a modified form of a nightengale system, but I dig it.
    what does this mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryGandorf View Post
    what does this mean?
    <not trying to be a $#@!> the martingale system is the concept of doubling your bet each time you lose, because "you can't lose forever." The problem is that yeah, you can lose forever, and at some point you're betting an obscene amount just for the chance to win your original bet back.

    I'd probably say it differently now, tho; it was late, and I was wrestling with the little boy. The martingale analogy makes sense in my head, something like "prepare to lose, but when you win, win big." But it's probably not a very strong analogy, and there's no need to worry about it as a group, I don't think :). The net takeaway is that your system isn't playing strictly to the highest available EV in the casino, either - in fact it actively avoids it. But when/if you catch a shooter, your system rapidly gets huge money on the table, and that's the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Houstonian View Post
    If you are at l'Auberge on Friday, we can test it all out. I will be with girlfriend, so can't hang out all night but I'll be there.
    Is l'Auberge in Louisianna? I'm in Austin, unfortunately. I'm not sure why you keep talking about "testing it all out." As one of my favorite professors used to say, "one is not a sample size." Slorch and I are talking about the math, and the payouts of certain bets in relation to the math. We don't NEED to test it out. And no, we're not ducking you. I've got sessions where I've won 15x my buying, and sessions where I've lost my buyin and then some in less than one college football game halftime show (whatever A&M game it was where they returned a fumble for a TD right before the half; I went on tilt during that halftime :)).

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    Quote Originally Posted by capnamerca View Post
    <not trying to be a $#@!> the martingale system is the concept of doubling your bet each time you lose, because "you can't lose forever." The problem is that yeah, you can lose forever, and at some point you're betting an obscene amount just for the chance to win your original bet back.

    I'd probably say it differently now, tho; it was late, and I was wrestling with the little boy. The martingale analogy makes sense in my head, something like "prepare to lose, but when you win, win big." But it's probably not a very strong analogy, and there's no need to worry about it as a group, I don't think :). The net takeaway is that your system isn't playing strictly to the highest available EV in the casino, either - in fact it actively avoids it. But when/if you catch a shooter, your system rapidly gets huge money on the table, and that's the point.
    yeah, i know that system of betting, i just didn't see how mine was anything like it. although i will say all i know about it is what you do after you lose one bet (continue to double up to get even, right?) i have no idea what happens in martingale if you win a bet.

    my system is about minimizing exposure while you wait for a hot roll. that's it. once you hit some numbers, you're using your winnings to pump up your own bets and hopefully take back a couple of scores. it's certainly not "the absolute best way to make money playing craps when crunching the numbers" or whatever people may be arguing about. playing pass + odds + a bunch of come bets + odds just seems to be a great way to lose a bunch of money quick if the table is really cold.

    i used to play this way, i just hated continuing to dip into my rack to press up odds and more come bets without hitting anything yet. sure, when you hit a number you get a bunch of chips back, but lots of those were yours a second earlier anyway. maybe it's a mental thing. and don't even get me started on building up come bets only to have the shooter hit his number and come out with a 7. hedge or not, all your work just came tumbling down. annoying.

    like i said (or asked) earlier, it's a fine strategy, i just would never label it as a strategy that "limits exposure".

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    Thanks to this thread I finished up $350 on craps this weekend in Vegas.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TEXAS SOB View Post
    Thanks to this thread I finished up $350 on craps this weekend in Vegas.

    And which system did you use?

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    the HG method mostly. combined with playing pass line + odds once i was up.

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    So i made the jaunt over to Lake Charles early Sunday morning and what do I find at LaubergeDuLac, but a $25 minimum Crapless Craps table at 8 in the morning. The only craps table open is one of the dumbest abominations ever of the best game in the casino at a ridiculous minimum for 8 in the AM, even if it is the weekend.

    Oh and 5X odds are now the max, versus 20X in the past.

    I hadn't been to Lake Chuck for about a year- I will not be going back with bull$#@! like that going on.

    Shreveport, your 100X odds, readily available $5 or $10 min tables, and cheaper/ better hotel rooms will be my destination the next time I need my craps fix. Lake Charles, you suck more than ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slorch View Post
    So i made the jaunt over to Lake Charles early Sunday morning and what do I find at LaubergeDuLac, but a $25 minimum Crapless Craps table at 8 in the morning. The only craps table open is one of the dumbest abominations ever of the best game in the casino at a ridiculous minimum for 8 in the AM, even if it is the weekend.

    Oh and 5X odds are now the max, versus 20X in the past.

    I hadn't been to Lake Chuck for about a year- I will not be going back with bull$#@! like that going on.

    Shreveport, your 100X odds, readily available $5 or $10 min tables, and cheaper/ better hotel rooms will be my destination the next time I need my craps fix. Lake Charles, you suck more than ever.
    Good lord, that's an abomination. $#@! that.

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    Anyone know if WinStar has Craps? Their website sucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slorch View Post
    Anyone know if WinStar has Craps? Their website sucks.
    Just card games and slots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LonghornEE View Post
    What fallacies? All I ask at the craps table is that you keep the dice on the table, don't change out the dealers especially the stickman, don't pass me a 7 or for that matter even say the word, don't talk or interrupt me if I'm shooting even if you're my friend, don't buy-in to play in the middle of a roll, and don't snap your damn fingers after you throw the dice. Is that too much to ask?
    What if my drink of choice is 7 and 7?

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    Where at?

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    Won a little over $700 last weekend using HG's strategy. Played the first night for about 2 hours, came out up $34. Second night I lost $150 pretty quick and walked away. Came back a few hours later, stuck to the strategy and it eventually paid off. First time to use it.

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    I will be in Vegas all next week and I plan on utilizing this HG strategy. It works on the online games/crap apps so its worth a shot in vegas. I will report back how it works for me. Would love to break even (or win big but not counting on it), but mostly just want to have a $#@!in blast!

    Thank you HG for the new strategy to try!

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    bunghole Battlestar Bevo can play the whole course with a 4 iron. At night. Battlestar Bevo can play the whole course with a 4 iron. At night. Battlestar Bevo can play the whole course with a 4 iron. At night. Battlestar Bevo can play the whole course with a 4 iron. At night. Battlestar Bevo can play the whole course with a 4 iron. At night. Battlestar Bevo can play the whole course with a 4 iron. At night. Battlestar Bevo can play the whole course with a 4 iron. At night. Battlestar Bevo can play the whole course with a 4 iron. At night. Battlestar Bevo can play the whole course with a 4 iron. At night. Battlestar Bevo can play the whole course with a 4 iron. At night. Battlestar Bevo can play the whole course with a 4 iron. At night. Battlestar Bevo's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC-97HORN View Post

    so you're on 3 numbers. collect your first two hits, no matter what number they come on. that'll get you back $14, and essentially even.

    then, with each hit of a number, you press THAT number, as shown below:

    5/9 - 5-15-35 (full collect) - 85-100-150 - 350 (full) - 500 and so on.
    OK here is where I get confused and I'm looking for help. So I collect my first two hits. Done. Then I hit 5/9 twice to get to 35. Does "full collect" mean take my entire 35 off the table or take 30 off and leave my original 5, or does it mean collect on the next hit ($85)?

    The 85 in the sequence after full collect does this mean that the next time around when I get to 85 to press until the next full collect? I'm not understanding where the 85 comes from if I just "full collect"ed previously.

    Thanks

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    when you have a $35 bet on a 5/9 (or a $30 on a 6/8), and that number hits - they will pay you - either $49 or $35.

    take that money and put it in your rack, and keep the same bet on the table. the next time that same number hits, tell them to "make it $85". you'll have to throw them a buck. you're never gonna decrease your bet or take anything completely off the table.

    personally, i like to collect twice at every level. if it's spread out, you collect the 5 once and the 9 once. but depending on your mood, you can collect one of them twice, and press the other with no collect at all (assuming your shooter is hot).

    hitting the $85 is almost like a full collect as well, because you're only pressing to $100.

    hope that makes sense, it's tough to write about it, but once you're playing, it's easy to understand.

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    Use it every time. Must have a good roller to make big money, but allows you to tread water until you get a good roller.

    10min table in NOLA with 120 played for 5 hrs. Made aprox $300 in profit (down to my last full inside bet 6-8-9, all it takes is one). And $#@! you Harras. Ten dollar table had no crap-out(11etc) on the come out roll, but had 2,3,11,12 as points. After I got my fourth point, rolled an 11. Instead of instant pay was $#@!ed to try to hit the yo again. Also. Worst dealers ever. Left guys was super prick trying to hit on chicks, while pit boss after my 10+ throws said he doesn't like my throws and the have to hit the back wall No matter what (I tell him the mountain of chips on the other side is stopping progress). I hit the next number and then he says after this roller the table min is raised to 15. At least it was the weekend for the Texans v Saints. Made a few horns some VERY good money on the hard 12. Got tipped like a bitch, but thanks! Money's money.

    System changed my crap game forever
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    bunghole Battlestar Bevo can play the whole course with a 4 iron. At night. Battlestar Bevo can play the whole course with a 4 iron. At night. Battlestar Bevo can play the whole course with a 4 iron. At night. Battlestar Bevo can play the whole course with a 4 iron. At night. Battlestar Bevo can play the whole course with a 4 iron. At night. Battlestar Bevo can play the whole course with a 4 iron. At night. Battlestar Bevo can play the whole course with a 4 iron. At night. Battlestar Bevo can play the whole course with a 4 iron. At night. Battlestar Bevo can play the whole course with a 4 iron. At night. Battlestar Bevo can play the whole course with a 4 iron. At night. Battlestar Bevo can play the whole course with a 4 iron. At night. Battlestar Bevo's Avatar
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    Thanks HG! So "full collect" basically means collect _winnings_ from that hit. Got it. Thanks again. CR here I come.

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    asshat Houstonian might be a clever chap. or know the right people. know what i mean, nudge nudge? Houstonian might be a clever chap. or know the right people. know what i mean, nudge nudge? Houstonian might be a clever chap. or know the right people. know what i mean, nudge nudge? Houstonian might be a clever chap. or know the right people. know what i mean, nudge nudge? Houstonian might be a clever chap. or know the right people. know what i mean, nudge nudge? Houstonian might be a clever chap. or know the right people. know what i mean, nudge nudge? Houstonian might be a clever chap. or know the right people. know what i mean, nudge nudge? Houstonian might be a clever chap. or know the right people. know what i mean, nudge nudge? Houstonian might be a clever chap. or know the right people. know what i mean, nudge nudge? Houstonian might be a clever chap. or know the right people. know what i mean, nudge nudge? Houstonian might be a clever chap. or know the right people. know what i mean, nudge nudge? Houstonian's Avatar
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    Revised advice:

    Go play blackjack.

    Only way I play again is if a supermodel first-timer is rolling the bones. Then maybe.

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    Crushed the craps table on my most recent visit to Vegas. I used to be a one unit presser, but I decided that was too conservative. I don't quite use HG's system as it's more aggressive than I want to bet. Basically, I'm somewhere in the middle, but it worked out well for me. Had several big wins that resulted in overall being up quite a bit for the trip.

    Looked something like this:

    4 and 10 - 5-15-25-25-35-50-75-100...
    5 and 9 - 5-10-20-25-35-50-75-100...
    6 and 8 - 6-12-24-30-42-60-90-120...

    For $10 tables it was a little bit different, but you get the idea. Pretty much full presses early then essentially half presses the rest of the way.

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    asshat Houstonian might be a clever chap. or know the right people. know what i mean, nudge nudge? Houstonian might be a clever chap. or know the right people. know what i mean, nudge nudge? Houstonian might be a clever chap. or know the right people. know what i mean, nudge nudge? Houstonian might be a clever chap. or know the right people. know what i mean, nudge nudge? Houstonian might be a clever chap. or know the right people. know what i mean, nudge nudge? Houstonian might be a clever chap. or know the right people. know what i mean, nudge nudge? Houstonian might be a clever chap. or know the right people. know what i mean, nudge nudge? Houstonian might be a clever chap. or know the right people. know what i mean, nudge nudge? Houstonian might be a clever chap. or know the right people. know what i mean, nudge nudge? Houstonian might be a clever chap. or know the right people. know what i mean, nudge nudge? Houstonian might be a clever chap. or know the right people. know what i mean, nudge nudge? Houstonian's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by LonghornEE View Post
    Crushed the craps table on my most recent visit to Vegas. I used to be a one unit presser, but I decided that was too conservative. I don't quite use HG's system as it's more aggressive than I want to bet. Basically, I'm somewhere in the middle, but it worked out well for me. Had several big wins that resulted in overall being up quite a bit for the trip.

    Looked something like this:

    4 and 10 - 5-15-25-25-35-50-75-100...
    5 and 9 - 5-10-20-25-35-50-75-100...
    6 and 8 - 6-12-24-30-42-60-90-120...

    For $10 tables it was a little bit different, but you get the idea. Pretty much full presses early then essentially half presses the rest of the way.
    What did you walk away with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Houstonian View Post
    What did you walk away with?
    On a couple of occassions I bought in for $200 and cashed out over $600. Twice, I bought in for $100 and walked away with $850 and $500. Of course, I had some losing sessions as well, but altogether I was up over $1000.

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    asshat Houstonian might be a clever chap. or know the right people. know what i mean, nudge nudge? Houstonian might be a clever chap. or know the right people. know what i mean, nudge nudge? Houstonian might be a clever chap. or know the right people. know what i mean, nudge nudge? Houstonian might be a clever chap. or know the right people. know what i mean, nudge nudge? Houstonian might be a clever chap. or know the right people. know what i mean, nudge nudge? Houstonian might be a clever chap. or know the right people. know what i mean, nudge nudge? Houstonian might be a clever chap. or know the right people. know what i mean, nudge nudge? Houstonian might be a clever chap. or know the right people. know what i mean, nudge nudge? Houstonian might be a clever chap. or know the right people. know what i mean, nudge nudge? Houstonian might be a clever chap. or know the right people. know what i mean, nudge nudge? Houstonian might be a clever chap. or know the right people. know what i mean, nudge nudge? Houstonian's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by LonghornEE View Post
    On a couple of occassions I bought in for $200 and cashed out over $600. Twice, I bought in for $100 and walked away with $850 and $500. Of course, I had some losing sessions as well, but altogether I was up over $1000.
    That's a nice haul and pretty regular results. The secret is not giving it back over a long period of time. I hope you continue to win.

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    I'm learning alot. Thanks all for the input.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Houstonian View Post
    That's a nice haul and pretty regular results. The secret is not giving it back over a long period of time. I hope you continue to win.
    not only that, but i always try to mentally judge my take against people playing the traditional 3 numbers + odds method. sometimes it's a win to lose $40 when others are losing $300. you have enough to start a new session, and others don't.

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    asshat Houstonian might be a clever chap. or know the right people. know what i mean, nudge nudge? Houstonian might be a clever chap. or know the right people. know what i mean, nudge nudge? Houstonian might be a clever chap. or know the right people. know what i mean, nudge nudge? Houstonian might be a clever chap. or know the right people. know what i mean, nudge nudge? Houstonian might be a clever chap. or know the right people. know what i mean, nudge nudge? Houstonian might be a clever chap. or know the right people. know what i mean, nudge nudge? Houstonian might be a clever chap. or know the right people. know what i mean, nudge nudge? Houstonian might be a clever chap. or know the right people. know what i mean, nudge nudge? Houstonian might be a clever chap. or know the right people. know what i mean, nudge nudge? Houstonian might be a clever chap. or know the right people. know what i mean, nudge nudge? Houstonian might be a clever chap. or know the right people. know what i mean, nudge nudge? Houstonian's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryGandorf View Post
    not only that, but i always try to mentally judge my take against people playing the traditional 3 numbers + odds method. sometimes it's a win to lose $40 when others are losing $300. you have enough to start a new session, and others don't.
    HG when I get installed in LA, I'd like to hit the casinos with you sometime. I've pretty much given up on craps for Blackjack but would like to see you roll. They have casinos in and around LA, right? Does Shaggy LA ever get together?
    Last edited by Houstonian; 01-12-2012 at 06:01 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Houstonian View Post
    HG when I get installed in LA, I'd like to hit the casinos with you sometime. I've pretty much given up on craps for Blackjack but would like to see you roll. They have casinos in and around LA, right? Does Shaggy LA ever get together?
    no casinos, you gotta go to vegas. 275 miles away.

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    Making my first trip to Vegas this March and def looking forward to giving the system a go. HG, I think I've got the idea down, but I wasn't sure I followed your point here:
    Quote Originally Posted by HenryGandorf View Post
    personally, i like to collect twice at every level. if it's spread out, you collect the 5 once and the 9 once. but depending on your mood, you can collect one of them twice, and press the other with no collect at all (assuming your shooter is hot).
    What do you mean by "collectiong twice at every level?" And I also didn't follow you when you said you could "colection one of them twice one of them twice and press the other with no collect at all". Thanks for any clarification.

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    it's hard to explain if you're not experienced with the system, but i'll try.

    there are basically two tracks of betting. the 6/8 and the 5/9. in a perfect world, they're all hitting a bunch, but in reality, certain ones will hit again and again, and others won't. for example, if everything is hitting equally, you press your 5 up to $35, then if it hits, you collect all, then the hit after that, you press up to $85. and you do the same with the 9. (in other words, at that level - the $35 5/9, and the $30 6/8, you take a full collect on each of them). but the way it would likely go in real life, is that you hit the $35 5 or 9 twice before its counterpart even gets pressed that high. so what i was saying, is that you may want to collect the $35 twice on the first one that hits, then if/when the other gets there, just skip straight to the $85 press.

    total is the same amount of collects, but sometimes it's nice (and more conservative for the newer or tighter players) to snag two collects early.

    did that make sense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by slorch View Post

    It all comes down to this- EVERY bet you make on the craps table that isn't an odds bet gives the house an advantage.
    After you've learned the rules and etiquette, this right here is all you need to know about betting craps.

    Slorch, forgive me for tweaking your sage advice to make it a little shorter and easier to remember.

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    That statement is absolutely true thus the reason it is gambling. However, if you minimize your risk and maximize when the luck is on your temporary side you can run up your profits quickly and have a good time. In the long run, you will lose, but short term success is possible.

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