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    Quote Originally Posted by LonghornEE View Post
    That statement is absolutely true thus the reason it is gambling. However, if you minimize your risk and maximize when the luck is on your temporary side you can run up your profits quickly and have a good time. In the long run, you will lose, but short term success is possible.
    Your point is true, but my point was made with regard to the folks positioning these systems as almost foolproof. Nothing could be further from the truth when the math is applied.

    If you ever see me at the craps table, you can be assured I'll have my Pass or don't pass minimum bet out there and I'll be working my odds bet( that's where I get my variance in the game.)
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    Dropped in to L'AubergeDuLac this morning.

    Played the don'ts at $15 table. Caught a streak and cashed out with a $1100 after buying in with $100. I was actually up $1800 but was betting between $300 and $400 on my odds bets. Lost 2 in a row and cashed out.

    Was talking to a dealer who remembered me from when I was a regular and he said they got rid of the god-forsaken crapless craps table and took their available odds back up to 20X from 5X, which is two very good moves, IMO.

    I think LDL got caught up in how much nicer a place they have and took their customers hostage. Evidently a bunch of them like myself told them to go get f'ed. Glad to see LDL responded in a positive fashion. They had changed the layout of the casino a bit and replaced the carpet. It appeared they had addressed some of the rough edges that were starting to come out.

    For the way I play, I still like 100X odds at Shreveport better, but I will stop in LDL again if I am in the Lake Chuck area.

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    100X odds seems like a gimmick to me unless you're a total baller or something. You'd really be willing to throw down $1500 to back up a $15 pass line or whatever? Too rich for my blood by a mile....

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    Quote Originally Posted by tokamak View Post
    100X odds seems like a gimmick to me unless you're a total baller or something. You'd really be willing to throw down $1500 to back up a $15 pass line or whatever? Too rich for my blood by a mile....
    If I'm up, I'm betting it. I won several bets before I got into the $300-$400 range. For me, the table minimum isn't that big of a deal when we're talking $5-$10-$15. The odds-bets are what i change according to how the game is flowing. If it had been a $5 table, I would have increased my don't pass to $15 so I could get the amount of odds out there that i wanted( remember it was 20X.) If they had 100X odds, I would have never had to increase my initial bet until my pay off for my odds bet was greater than $500. I was not quite there today, but it was fun and profitable...

    Those max odds are hard to get to, but DAMN it's fun when you do!
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    What is the proper etiquette to betting 5,6,9 all together? Just put down a stack of $16 in chips? or separate it out into 3 different stacks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilovetexasfootball View Post
    What is the proper etiquette to betting 5,6,9 all together? Just put down a stack of $16 in chips? or separate it out into 3 different stacks?
    If 8 is the point. put your $16 down( at a $5 table) and say, " Inside, please." This tells the dealer you do not want the "outside numbers" 4 and 10. If the point is 4 or 10, you would say, "Place the inside, no 8."

    Don't throw the money into the layout, but place it in front of you in the open area, OR place it in the "come" box and make sure the dealer knows you wish to place that money, rather than make a Come bet.

    Put it down in one stack, and that will help the dealer.

    If they're being $#@!s, separate stacks may be warranted...LOL.

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    yes, and assuming your bets are pretty consistent, after a while you can just lay the money down and a smart dealer will figure it out. you can say "inside" or you can say "5, 6, 9" but you never need to separate them.

    i always stack my chips with the whole stack except the bottom chip together (bottom chip slid a quarter inch back), just like the dealers pay out.

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    and please, for the love of god, have a pair of testicles. Put your money down on the table, announce your bet (that doesn't mean shout, but say it out loud dammit) and you're good. Any halfway decent dealer will hear you and place accordingly, even if they aren't looking directly at you. If they don't, they'll ask, and you can say it again. Really, the only time you SHOULDN'T try and make a bet is if they're in the middle of a round of payouts - let them finish dropping chips to folks, and you can then go ahead. IN very short order, as Slorch and HG say, they'll get used to your pattern and you'll be on your way.
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    One thing that throws noobs off and frustrates a dealer trying to book your bets is the new guy/gal not understanding the flow of the payoffs and booking of new bets.

    When a shooter hits their point, understand that the dealer's first obligation is to pick up losing bets, pay winning bets on the pass line, and then pay any prop bets that were booked by the stickman in the middle. AT THAT POINT, he will then start to his left and go to each player for any new bets. If you are on the dealer's far right and he is booking someone else's "52 across, no...let me buy the 10 while I'm at it" and you're trying to book your $12 place bet on the 8; it's going to frustrate a lot of people.

    A good dealer will make every effort to book your bet and if time/ game flow permits, coach you on the proper amounts. be patient and wait your turn.

    As cap'n said, speak firmly and clearly. help the dealer out and he will learn your tendencies. He might even remind you to get that odds bet in before the shooter makes his 4...

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    Quote Originally Posted by slorch View Post
    One thing that throws noobs off and frustrates a dealer trying to book your bets is the new guy/gal not understanding the flow of the payoffs and booking of new bets.

    When a shooter hits their point, understand that the dealer's first obligation is to pick up losing bets, pay winning bets on the pass line, and then pay any prop bets that were booked by the stickman in the middle. AT THAT POINT, he will then start to his left and go to each player for any new bets. If you are on the dealer's far right and he is booking someone else's "52 across, no...let me buy the 10 while I'm at it" and you're trying to book your $12 place bet on the 8; it's going to frustrate a lot of people.
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    It'll be obvious when a dealer is ready to take your money. If you're the last person next to the stickman, it might take said dealer a few seconds to get around to you, but you'll see that he's taking new bets (this is assuming you aren't fresh off the boat to the craps table, and understand the basic mechanics as Slorch said).

    The easy way to do things is to always play on one end of the table :). Then you get to go first.

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    jesus you guys are so right. as much as a new guy trying to learn can be annoying (although i always try to teach the game if i can), there's nothing more annoying than, "i'm not sure he heard my bet" guy. he won't put his chips down, and he'll say it a few times until the dealer places the chips.

    when i get into a really good rhythm with a dealer, it is magical. i'll put money down, he'll anticipate my presses, and i get to shout cool $#@! like, "make it look like one-fifty." the really good dealers have it all in their head anyway, so putting the chips in the right slot is just details.

    when hankkingsley and i were in vegas a bunch back in the day, we had a specific dealer at bally's that was fantastic. he knew the system, knew our drinks, knew what we wanted to talk about (college football betting mostly). and if we pressed something, he knew it, even if he hadn't put the chips out there yet. and if it came right back and hit again, he would pay the new number without thinking twice about it.

    dealers who respect the speed and flow of the game make all the difference.

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    If you are a beginner with the HG system and unsure about the inside numbers betting I would also add that a good spot at the table is in the corner right next to the dealer. They will help you out and you are right next to them for speaking purposes.

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    I hate this stupid game. Down $300 playing both the HG system and pass/odds. Didn't matter what we did, table went number-crap, number-crap, number-crap, for HOURS. Even changed tables twice. $#@!.

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    Got to switch to the darkside when the table gets that cold.

    Quote Originally Posted by capnamerca View Post
    I hate this stupid game. Down $300 playing both the HG system and pass/odds. Didn't matter what we did, table went number-crap, number-crap, number-crap, for HOURS. Even changed tables twice. $#@!.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LonghornEE View Post
    Got to switch to the darkside when the table gets that cold.
    You shut your whore mouth.

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    or just walk away.

    also i'm not sure what you mean by playing both. both together or alternating? i don't recommend playing them together, it kinda kills the purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by capnamerca View Post
    I hate this stupid game. Down $300 playing both the HG system and pass/odds. Didn't matter what we did, table went number-crap, number-crap, number-crap, for HOURS. Even changed tables twice. $#@!.
    point-seven-out is music to my ears brother...or more specifically, like a cash register.
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    no clapping or high fiving, that's all i ask. quietly take your money and drink your drink.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryGandorf View Post
    no clapping or high fiving, that's all i ask. quietly take your money and drink your drink.
    that's exactly what I do, unless it's the "darkside train to hell" and we're all shooting and betting from the dont's and picking up copious amounts of checks...

    can't stand the mofos that start calling for the seven during regular situations. STFU and let the game happen...not to mention it pisses the other players off.

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    This game scares me after reading this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaiderzX24 View Post
    This game scares me after reading this.
    Really? Makes me want to gamble my money away

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryGandorf View Post
    or just walk away.

    also i'm not sure what you mean by playing both. both together or alternating? i don't recommend playing them together, it kinda kills the purpose.
    Yeah, alternated. Separate sessions, actually. Rode one buy-in to zero one way, and repeated the feat with the other a bit later. Not a strong night :).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilovetexasfootball View Post
    Really? Makes me want to gamble my money away
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    Quote Originally Posted by RaiderzX24 View Post
    This game scares me after reading this.
    let go Luke...

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    knowing i can jump in my car and be at the tables in vegas before midnight is not cool.

    if i was only ~2 hours away from lake charles, i'd be in real trouble.

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    What the closest tables to Dallas? I was in Shreveport last Saturday and had a pretty good run using the system. Up 250

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    Quote Originally Posted by slorch View Post
    can't stand the mofos that start calling for the seven during regular situations. STFU and let the game happen...not to mention it pisses the other players off.
    This pisses me off so much. I don't want to even hear the word seven if I'm shooting. If you drink seven and seven you better whisper that $#@! to the $#@!tail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LonghornEE View Post
    Got to switch to the darkside when the table gets that cold.
    - rep. I bet you yell "that number" when the shooter is rolling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hornsareus View Post
    - rep. I bet you yell "that number" when the shooter is rolling.
    I got more respect for the game then most of the people here having played and dealt it for 10+ years. I would never yell 7 thats just rude. However, if the table has gone full circle and no one is hitting points or rolling numbers I'm not going to sit there and just keep dumping money. If its cold, its cold and I might as well make some money on the darkside while I wait for things to turn around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryGandorf View Post
    it's hard to explain if you're not experienced with the system, but i'll try.

    there are basically two tracks of betting. the 6/8 and the 5/9. in a perfect world, they're all hitting a bunch, but in reality, certain ones will hit again and again, and others won't. for example, if everything is hitting equally, you press your 5 up to $35, then if it hits, you collect all, then the hit after that, you press up to $85. and you do the same with the 9. (in other words, at that level - the $35 5/9, and the $30 6/8, you take a full collect on each of them). but the way it would likely go in real life, is that you hit the $35 5 or 9 twice before its counterpart even gets pressed that high. so what i was saying, is that you may want to collect the $35 twice on the first one that hits, then if/when the other gets there, just skip straight to the $85 press.

    total is the same amount of collects, but sometimes it's nice (and more conservative for the newer or tighter players) to snag two collects early.

    did that make sense?
    HG,
    I follow. One more question: If I'm not betting the pass line, when do I get on the fourth inside number? For example in your original explanation of this system, you noted that if the point is 5, get on the 6, 8, and 9 and just follow the system, noting that after your first full collect you get on the 4 and 10 or whatever 2 numbers you aren't already on. But when do you get on the fourth inside number?

    Alternatively, if the point is 4 and I'm on the 5, 6, and 8 and get to my first full collect, when do I get on the 9 (again, if not playing the pass line)?
    Last edited by UTIceberg; 02-18-2012 at 01:01 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UTIceberg View Post
    HG,
    I follow. One more question: If I'm not betting the pass line, when do I get on the fourth inside number? For example in your original explanation of this system, you noted that if the point is 5, get on the 6, 8, and 9 and just follow the system, noting that after your first full collect you get on the 4 and 10 or whatever 2 numbers you aren't already on. But when do you get on the fourth inside number?

    Alternatively, if the point is 4 and I'm on the 5, 6, and 8 and get to my first full collect, when do I get on the 9 (again, if not playing the pass line)?
    The points you can be are 4 5 6 8 9 10. If 4 is the point, you start on 5 6 8, then get on 9 10 after full collect. The other number is the point. You don't bet on the point number.

    6 numbers, 1 is the point, start on 3 of them, then get on remaining 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chest Rockwell View Post
    The points you can be are 4 5 6 8 9 10. If 4 is the point, you start on 5 6 8, then get on 9 10 after full collect. The other number is the point. You don't bet on the point number.

    6 numbers, 1 is the point, start on 3 of them, then get on remaining 2.
    Got it, thanks for the clarification. So if you aren't betting the pass line (as HG indicated he generally doesn't do) you aren't ever collecting when the point is hit.

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    HG,
    In your original description, you said:
    if the numbers keep coming, eventually get on all 6 numbers.
    Referencing my post above, what did you mean by this and how/when would it occur? I know you can bet a number after the point is set - are you saying that you do that at some point?

    Also another question (I've coming across these while practicing your system on a craps Ap): If the point is 6/8 and you have your biggest bet on the 5/9, but then the point resets to the 5/9 where the big bet is, do you move the biggest bet to the now open 6/8 or flip with the non-point 5/9 and move the smaller 5/9 bet to the open 6/8 (I'm hoping that description makes sense)? Again, appreciate your willingness to describe this in a little more detail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UTIceberg View Post
    HG,
    In your original description, you said:

    Referencing my post above, what did you mean by this and how/when would it occur? I know you can bet a number after the point is set - are you saying that you do that at some point?

    Also another question (I've coming across these while practicing your system on a craps Ap): If the point is 6/8 and you have your biggest bet on the 5/9, but then the point resets to the 5/9 where the big bet is, do you move the biggest bet to the now open 6/8 or flip with the non-point 5/9 and move the smaller 5/9 bet to the open 6/8 (I'm hoping that description makes sense)? Again, appreciate your willingness to describe this in a little more detail.
    I always bet the point if its one of the inside numbers. If you want to bet the point you can put it on the line between the pass line and where odds would go and it represents place betting the point without making it look messy up top. I start with the 4 inside numbers every time as it represents 50% of all the combinations of the dice so each roll is a coin flip to hit. If the point hits, I just factor that in once the new point is established and continue my usual pressing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryGandorf View Post
    when hankkingsley and i were in vegas a bunch back in the day, we had a specific dealer at bally's that was fantastic. he knew the system, knew our drinks, knew what we wanted to talk about (college football betting mostly). and if we pressed something, he knew it, even if he hadn't put the chips out there yet. and if it came right back and hit again, he would pay the new number without thinking twice about it.

    dealers who respect the speed and flow of the game make all the difference.
    That guy was awesome. It also helped that he liked the aggressiveness of the system we used. He really wanted us to win.

    I had a good run in Lake Charles about 10 years ago, and the floor manager had to take over because the dealer couldn't do the math. Also it was a $1000 max bet table, which I was a couple of rolls away from having on 2 numbers before the shooter crapped out. It would have sucked to be capped at that amount.

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    Just walked into a hot craps table, started planing the blacks and SHUT that mother $#@!er down. Cleared $1500 in the process. 8 straight point/outs.

    It was fabulous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gardner Barnes View Post
    started planing the blacks
    splain this terminology, please

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    Quote Originally Posted by slorch View Post
    splain this terminology, please
    It is a watermark. You're $#@!ed.

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    I've played/cussed/discussed a $#@!-ton of craps. never heard that term.

    Still don't know WTH you are saying. Sorry.

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    I think he means $100 chips?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gardner Barnes View Post
    Just walked into a hot craps table, started planing the blacks and SHUT that mother $#@!er down. Cleared $1500 in the process. 8 straight point/outs.

    It was fabulous.
    Thats racist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macallan12 View Post
    I think he means $100 chips?
    That's what I figured "the blacks" were, but "planing" them? Maybe he meant "playing"

    Was he on the don'ts?

    Glad he won, but it would be nice if it was a bit clearer how...

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    I was on the donts you fat raider $#@!.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gardner Barnes View Post
    I was on the donts you fat raider $#@!.
    26 pounds skinnier since Jan 2.

    Glad you won, $#@!er...

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    Quote Originally Posted by slorch View Post
    26 pounds skinnier since Jan 2.

    Glad you won, $#@!er...
    f. ok I was on the donts you thinner raider $#@!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gardner Barnes View Post
    f. ok I was on the donts you thinner raider $#@!
    Where do you play, if I might ask?

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    Quote Originally Posted by slorch View Post
    Where do you play, if I might ask?
    Encore. These dudes chanting about their wins bugged me so I brought my Cooler skills and watched them chase losses. It was embarrassing and glorious. One of them took it personally and asked the Encore to ban me from their craps table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gardner Barnes View Post
    Encore. These dudes chanting about their wins bugged me so I brought my Cooler skills and watched them chase losses. It was embarrassing and glorious. One of them took it personally and asked the Encore to ban me from their craps table.
    They want to ban you, while they should have been cashing in.

    i'll never understand the loyalty to either side on the craps table. I enjoy the don'ts, but if it's hot, I switch on over and bet with a ginourmous trend.

    I guess for gambling pet peeves, mine is the "right way" bettors that take it personally. Get a $#@!ing clue, dudes.

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    Going to Lake Charles in a couple of weeks. Does anyone know the table limits for the casinos there on a Saturday? I know Lauberge will be at least $25. What about Isle of Capri or Coushatta?

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