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    Martin toying with fans again, says he thinks Winds of Winter will be out this year...then proceeds to add he thought the same thing last year.

    http://www.avclub.com/article/optimi...er-may--248252

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    Well we're getting a new GoT story!...sorta, and not the one we're waiting on:
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    A Bit More (Fake) History

    Jan. 31st, 2017 at 5:06 PM

    I had intended to write this post a few days ago, when Bantam gave me the green light, but I got busy, and we had Carrie Vaughn coming to town, and a worldcon/ Hugo deadline approaching, and all that seemed more time-sensitive, so I wrote those instead. Unfortunately, that meant the news below broke from other sources, and inevitably, all sorts of weird distortions crept in, and now the internet is rife with rumors and false reports and misinformation. Pfui. I need to set the record straight.

    My friend Gardner Dozois, long-time anthologist and winner (many many times) of the Hugo Award for Best Professional Editor, has a big new fantasy anthology coming out this fall. It's called THE BOOK OF SWORDS, and it's about... well... swords. Y'know. "Stick 'em with the pointy end."

    I have a story in the book. "The Sons of the Dragon" is the title. Those of you who enjoyed "The Princess and the Queen" in DANGEROUS WOMEN and "The Rogue Prince" in ROGUES will probably like this one too. It's water from the same well. A history rather than a traditional narrative. A lot of telling, only a little showing. (The opposite of what I do in my novels). But if you're fascinated by the politics of Westeros, as many of my readers seem to be, you should enjoy it. As the title suggests, "The Sons of the Dragon" chronicles the reigns of the second and third Targaryen kings, Aenys I and Maegor the Cruel, along with their mothers, wives, sisters, children, friends, enemies, and rivals. If you're read something to that effect on the web, good, that much is right.

    However, there is a lot that's wrong out there as well. THE BOOK OF SWORDS is not my book. I didn't write but a small part of it, and I didn't edit it, nor even co-edit it. Gardner is one of my oldest friends and he and I have co-edited a number of anthologies together. We did OLD MARS and OLD VENUS together. We did SONGS OF LOVE & DEATH and DOWN THESE STRANGE STREETS together. We did the huge award-winning cross-genre anthologies WARRIORS, DANGEROUS WOMEN, and ROGUES together. But we did not do THE BOOK OF SWORDS together.

    SWORDS is all the Great Gargoo. I mean, it's not as if he hasn't edited a hundred other anthologies all by himself, before he did a few with me. We're friends, but we are not attached at the hip. I edit Wild Cards without any help from Gardner, and he edits lots of great stuff without any help from me... including THE BOOK OF SWORDS and next year's THE BOOK OF MAGIC (which will also have a story from me, a reprint).

    Truth be told, I loved editing those anthologies with Gardner, and we want to do more together. We're talked about MORE ROGUES and EVEN MORE DANGEROUS WOMEN, since those two books were hugely successful, and we have definite plans for OLD LUNA and, who knows, maybe eventually OLD MERCURY and OLD PLUTO and OLD URANUS. But we're not doing any of that NOW. The anthologies, much as I loved them, were taking too much of my time, so I stepped back from them... until I finish THE WINDS OF WINTER, at least. Once that's done, maybe I can sneak another one in...

    The point is, just because I had to step back did not mean Gardner had to. And he hasn't. Hence THE BOOK OF SWORDS, which I expect to be just as good as ROGUES or DANGEROUS WOMEN.

    The lineup of THE BOOK OF SWORDS is an impressive one:

    Introduction by Gardner Dozois
    THE BEST MAN WINS, by K.J. Parker
    HIS FATHER'S SWORD, by Robin Hobb
    THE HIDDEN GIRL, by Ken Liu
    THE SWORD OF DESTINY, by Matthew Hughes
    “I AM A HANDSOME MAN,” SAID APOLLO CROW, by Kate Elliott
    THE TRIUMPH OF VIRTUE, by Walter Jon Williams
    THE MOCKING TOWER, by Daniel Abraham
    HRUNTING, by C.J. Cherryh
    A LONG, COLD TRAIL, by Garth Nix
    WHEN I WAS A HIGHWAYMAN, by Ellen Kushner
    THE SMOKE OF GOLD IS GLORY by Scott Lynch
    THE COLGRID CONUNDRUM, by Rich Larson
    THE KING'S EVIL, by Elizabeth Bear
    WATERFALLING, by Lavie Tidhar
    THE SWORD TYRASTE, by Cecelia Holland
    THE SONS OF THE DRAGON, by George R.R. Martin

    There's some amazing writers there. Some of the stories, I expect, will contend for the Hugo and the World Fantasy Award. But I wouldn't know which, since I haven't read any of them yet, since I am not the editor. Unlike, say, ROGUES and OLD MARS and the like, where I read every word, because I was the co-editor.

    THE BOOK OF SWORDS is scheduled for release on October 10 in hardcover and ebook. (I don't have the cover art yet, but when I do I will post it here).

    As for my own story...

    Long-time lurkers on this site will recall that several years ago, when we were working on the gorgeous illustrated worldbook/ concordance that was eventually published as THE WORLD OF ICE & FIRE, I wrote a number of 'sidebar's about Westerosi history. Actually, I got rather carried away, until I found I had written 350,000 words of sidebars for a book that was supposed to have only 50,000 words of text (it ended up having a lot more that that, actually). Since I had only reached the regency of Aegon III the Dragonbane, and had largely skipped over Jaehaerys I the Conciliator, however, it became apparent that my sidebars were going to burst the book.

    So we pulled them all out, including only severely abridged versions of the main events in THE WORLD OF ICE AND FIRE. The full versions, much longer and unabridged, will eventually be published in a fake history tome to be called FIRE & BLOOD (and sometimes just the GRRMarillion), but since that one is years away, I included excerpts (again abridged, though not as severely) in DANGEROUS WOMEN and ROGUES. That's where "The Princess and the Queen" and "The Rogue Prince" came from.

    "The Sons of the Dragon" came from the same place. Gardner asked me for a story. I told him I did not have the time to write a story. He asked if perhaps I had more like "The Princess and the Queen" lying about... as it happened, I did. So I sent him "The Sons of the Dragon," he liked it, and there we are. (Fwiw, though "Sons" has never been published before, some of you may have heard me read it at one convention or another. I think I've read it twice, though offhand I do not recall when).

    Anyway... that's the story of the story. Don't believe any other weird crap you may encounter on the web. It's Gardner's book, and it should be a fine one. You can't go wrong with Robin Hobb, Scott Lynch, Lavie Tidhar, Daniel Abraham, Matthew Hughes, and the rest of the contributors that Gargy has assembled. You'll love their stuff, I know. Maybe you'll like my contribution as well... if you're partial to fake history.
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    yeah all that stuff is more time sensitive than the book you told yourself you'd have done, at the latest, by january 1, 2016.

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    honestly he should just finish the main story like one of these fake histories

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    Or real donuts.

    He finishes the living $#@! out of those. On time and error free.

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    I wish the fat $#@! would just go ahead and drop dead

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    He's bored, he knows the ending and how he wants it to play out so he no longer cares. Best to have someone else write it and just let GRRM edit it to make it sound like he wrote it. It's been 6 years and he has stated a lot had to be cut from ADwD. I'm kind of hoping Stannis' death on the show was how it went in the books, and due to the massive fallout, he's having to rewrite it so he doesn't get flayed alive. Book Stannis will die, but he/the fans need a glorious death. Not punkass show Brienne (hate Gwendeline Christie's portrayal of Brienne, there's no shame in her eyes, she's way too $#@!ing proud compared to book Brienne) beheading Stannis after he is defeated fighting to protect the realm.

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    This is a book thread. No spoilers.

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    WoW is never going to be finished:

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    July 22nd, 2017, 04:29 pm
    The Swords Are Drawn

    For all you fans of sword 'n sorcery, and/ or my own 'fake histories,' the new anthology from Gardner Dozois, THE BOOK OF SWORDS, has been scheduled for release on October 10, and is now available for pre-order from Amazon and many other online booksellers. I imagine your favorite local bookseller is taking orders too.

    This is NOT one I co-edited with Gargy (people keep getting that wrong), so I haven't read any of the other stories yet, but it looks to have a helluva lineup, with originals by Lavie Tidhar, Daniel Abraham, Scott Lynch, C.J. Cherryh, Robin Hobb, Ken Liu, Cecelia Holland, Walter Jon Williams, and many more. And of course it also includes "Sons of the Dragon," a chronicle of the reigns of Aegon the Conquerer's two sons, Aenys I Targaryen and Maegor the Cruel, for those who cannot get enough of my entirely fake histories of Westeros. That one has never been published before in any form, though I did read it at a couple of cons.

    Speaking of fake history... regulars here may recall our plan to assemble an entire book of my fake histories of the Targaryen kings, a volume we called (in jest) the GRRMarillion or (more seriously) FIRE AND BLOOD. We have so much material that it's been decided to publish the book in two volumes. The first of those will cover the history of Westeros from Aegon's Conquest up to and through the regency of the boy king Aegon III (the Dragonbane). That one is largely written, and will include (for the first time) a complete detailed history of the Targaryen civil war, the Dance of the Dragons. My stories in DANGEROUS WOMEN ("The Princess and the Queen") and ROGUES ("The Rogue Prince") were abridged versions of the same histories.

    No publication date has been set yet, but it's likely that we will get the first volume of FIRE AND BLOOD out in late 2018 or early 2019. The second volume, which will carry the history from Aegon III up to Robert's Rebellion, is largely unwritten, so that one will be a few more years in coming.

    And, yes, I know you all want to know about THE WINDS OF WINTER too. I've seen some truly weird reports about WOW on the internet of late, by 'journalists' who make their stories up out of whole cloth. I don't know which story is more absurd, the one that says the book is finished and I've been sitting on it for some nefarious reason, or the one that says I have no pages. Both 'reports' are equally false and equally moronic. I am still working on it, I am still months away (how many? good question), I still have good days and bad days, and that's all I care to say. Whether WINDS or the first volume of FIRE AND BLOOD will be the first to hit the bookstores is hard to say at this juncture, but I do think you will have a Westeros book from me in 2018... and who knows, maybe two. A boy can dream...

    Meanwhile, you'll have Gardner's anthology to fill the time. Keep your swords sharp!

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    Honestly I'd rather read Fire and Blood than WoW at this point.

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    Yeah, I'm torn. I want him to finish the $#@!ing books already if for no other reason than the show is better when they have his dialogue and plot details to use. The background kick he's been on has resulted in some good stuff though. I liked The World of Fire and Ice a lot.
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    I hate that fat bastard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G650 View Post
    I hate that fat bastard.
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    Oh, he might even have Dream of Spring out in 2018? Hooray!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lil' Fry McFly View Post
    Oh, he might even have Dream of Spring out in 2018? Hooray!
    Mummer's Spring of Farce is what I heard he's calling it.

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    real convenient this was announced right after the first episode of season 7 aired

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    $#@! this guy.

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